[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION

Susan Hogarth susan.hogarth at lp.org
Wed Aug 15 17:36:42 EDT 2018


      
  

 I took a quick look at Smith’s fb page and it is indeed almost all about this.   
  

  
Most disturbing in light of all the this-is-not-a-purge talk is his featuring of this clearly pro-purge fanmail:
  

  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  
  Susan Jane Hogarth
  
  Region 5 Alternate
  
  919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)
  
  
  
  

  
  
>   
> On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:14 PM,  <Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>  I do a weekly fundraising drive for a candidate each week.  
>
>  If you are going to go to the trouble of counting emails, it would be  
>  nice if you went to the trouble of finding out things that don’t fit  
>  your narrative. You could also do the same for Joshua. He can speak  
>  to his own activities but I know for a fact that you caricature of him  
>  as only caring about this is woefully incorrect.  
>  By the time my promo schedule is done I will have raised as much. We  
>  shouldn’t have to highlight our own candidacy efforts by putting other  
>  people’s efforts down. That is a real issue in this Party.  
>  -Caryn Ann  
>  On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:02 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business  
>   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:  
>
>  I vote no.  
>  I oppose socialism, support property rights, and think syndicalists  
>  (to  
>  use a more precise term for them) are naive, wrong, and internally  
>  inconsistent. If one of their tiny number is a candidate for office  
>  in  
>  Michigan, I think it's fair if Michigan sought to expel them or  
>  remove  
>  them from the ballot. If one of them in a position of LNC authority  
>  espouses views advocating violence or destruction of individual  
>  rights,  
>  I think it's fair to consider censure or removal.  
>  Neither is the case here. This resolution either reaffirms our  
>  platform  
>  - using some odd language that throws Georgists and mutualists under  
>  the  
>  bus too - or it expands our platform and turns the LNC into a purity  
>  police of Libertarian beliefs.  
>  Mr. Olsen mentioned real instances of people hesitant about joining  
>  the  
>  party because of the rise of these syndicalists. That gives me  
>  pause. If  
>  I were talking to such a person, I'd point out our platform as it  
>  stands  
>  and let them know that the weirdo socialists couldn't even fill one  
>  Uber, let alone pose any threat to our party. Would such a person be  
>  more reassured by a "reaffirmed" Platform than the current Platform?  
>  Are  
>  our SoP and Platform so weak that this group has managed to shake  
>  the  
>  foundations of our Party?  
>  I encounter people all the time who aren't sure what the Libertarian  
>  Party stand for because of our various strains of thought and our  
>  inability to focus on electing candidates. A non-binding resolution  
>  doesn't fix that. It actually makes it worse - signalling that we  
>  the  
>  LNC can't keep our eye on electing candidates, or at least on  
>  promoting  
>  Libertarian solutions to the problems of the day.  
>  In the four days, Ms. Harlos has written and sent 68 emails on this  
>  matter and Mr. Smith has posted 20 Facebook posts on this matter.  
>  They've decided this is their number one issue and want it to be the  
>  LNC's number one issue.  
>  If we're looking to demonstrate Libertarian relevance to voters, I  
>  would  
>  instead suggest one of the following could be our top item for  
>  discussion, action, or marketing this week:  
>  *China announces 25% tariffs on $60 billion worth of U.S. goods, in  
>  response to President Trump considering higher tariffs on $200  
>  billion  
>  worth of Chinese goods. The total negative effect of enacted and  
>  announced tariffs in this tariff war is 465,000 lost jobs and $150  
>  billion less in economic growth.  
>  *The U.S. Senate is poised to approve H.R. 6157, which increases  
>  Pentagon spending to $675 billion for this upcoming year. While  
>  federal  
>  spending is being boosted, the U.S. Treasury is expected to borrow  
>  $955  
>  billion this year, up from $519 billion last year.  
>  *$1.7 billion was spent on lobbying in Washington, DC in the first  
>  six  
>  months of this year, the highest since 2010. There are 9,785  
>  registered  
>  lobbyists in the nation's capital, or 18 for each member of  
>  Congress.  
>  *Electric power was restored to the entire island of Puerto Rico  
>  today  
>  for the first time since Hurricane Maria hit 328 days ago, a woeful  
>  testament to the commonwealth's dependence on the federal  
>  government.  
>  *Wildfires continue to devastate northern California, destroying  
>  thousands of homes and claiming 31 lives. Regulations prohibit  
>  timber  
>  companies from clearing out dense forests and removing an estimated  
>  129  
>  million dead trees, leaving a tinder box.  
>  *50 schoolchildren on a field trip were killed and 80 were wounded  
>  in a  
>  Saudi airstrike in northern Yemen that hit their bus last Thursday.  
>  The  
>  victims were age 6 to 11. U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo, on the  
>  phone  
>  with the Saudi Crown Prince a few days later, thanked the Saudis for  
>  their help in Syria and Iraq.  
>  *President Trump revoked the security clearance of one official who  
>  has  
>  spoken out against him, and fired an FBI official who spoke out  
>  against  
>  him.  
>  *California's Supreme Court struck down San Diego's decision  
>  (approved  
>  by 65% of voters) to put city employees into a 401k retirement plan  
>  instead of an antiquated and costly defined benefit pension plan. In  
>  DC,  
>  the WMATA transit agency lost a similar arbitration dispute.  
>  Taxpayers  
>  will have to pick up the tab in both instances.  
>  *Socialist Venezuela today defaulted on another $1.125 billion in  
>  bonds.  
>  Several dozen opposition figures have been rounded up for  
>  "questioning"  
>  following a drone assassination attempt on Maduro earlier this  
>  month.  
>  *New Zealand banned foreigners from buying property as a way of  
>  "solving" high housing prices. U.S. cities may look at the idea  
>  next.  
>  *North Dakota will vote on marijuana legalization, after LP activist  
>  Dave Owen and his org LegalizeND got the issue on the ballot this  
>  week.  
>  *And of course, our many great candidates who need donations,  
>  volunteers, and attention as they work to be elected and re-elected.  
>  Imagine how much money we could raise for them or activists we could  
>  get  
>  for them if we were e-mailing 68 times or posting 20 Facebook posts  
>  about them instead?  
>  Relating to the last point, over the next few days I'm going to  
>  personally donate $68 each - one for each of Ms. Harlos's emails  
>  about  
>  socialist entryism in the last four days - to ten LP candidates in  
>  winnable or ballot-access-important races across the country, and  
>  publicizing it to my network to encourage others to give as well. If  
>  all  
>  27 of us were to do the same, that's an injection of $18,360 and a  
>  clear  
>  demonstration that this LNC has its priorities in order. If all 27  
>  of us  
>  were to get our networks to do the same, that may make the  
>  difference  
>  between winning and not winning. I welcome anyone joining me in this  
>  pledge, regardless of how they vote on this resolution.  
>  JBH  
>  ------------  
>  Joe Bishop-Henchman  
>  LNC Member (At-Large)  
>  [2]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
>  [3]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
>  On 2018-08-15 05:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:  
>   >  We have an electronic mail ballot.  
>   >   
>   >  Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at  
>   >  11:59:59pm  
>   >  Pacific time.  
>   >   
>   >  Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven  
>  Nekhaila,  
>   >  Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith  
>   >   
>   >  Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:  
>   >   
>   >  WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and  
>   >  therefore  
>   >  the right of privatization of property as an extension of the  
>   >  individual;  
>   >   
>   >  WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party  
>   >  explicitly supports the right to private property ownership,  
>   >  including  
>   >  the right to do business utilizing that property as capital;  
>   >   
>   >  WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of  
>   >  individuals to own private property including land, structures,  
>   >  natural  
>   >  resources and other private space through homesteading,  
>  purchase,  
>   >  and  
>   >  other lawful libertarian means;  
>   >   
>   >  WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not  
>  limited to  
>   >  land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to  
>   >  exist  
>   >  as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;  
>   >   
>   >  WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the  
>  Libertarian  
>   >  Party since its inception;  
>   >   
>   >  THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist  
>  property  
>   >  ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,  
>   >  unlawful  
>   >  usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of  
>  private  
>   >  property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties,  
>  are  
>   >  incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.  
>   >   
>   >  =============================================  
>   >   
>   >  Important Bylaws note:  
>   >   
>   >  Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:  
>   >   
>   >  Article 7:  
>   >   
>   >  ***  
>   >   
>   >  The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions by a  
>  ¾  
>   >  vote  
>   >  with previous notice or by unanimous consent without previous  
>   >  notice.  
>   >   
>   >  =============================================  
>   >   
>   >  You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes  
>  here:  
>   >  [1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a  
>  link to  
>   >  the  
>   >  actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that  
>  the  
>   >  manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.  
>   >   
>   >  Please notify me of any discrepancies.  
>   >  --  
>   >  In Liberty,  
>   >  Caryn Ann Harlos  
>   >  Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary  
>  -  
>   >  [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.  
>   >  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org  
>   >  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:  
>   >  We defend your rights  
>   >  And oppose the use of force  
>   >  Taxation is theft  
>   >   
>   >  References  
>   >   
>   >  1. [5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
>   >  2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
>
>  --  
>
>  --  
>  In Liberty,  
>  Caryn Ann Harlos  
>  Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary  
>  - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.  
>  Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org  
>  A haiku to the Statement of Principles:  
>  We defend your rights  
>  And oppose the use of force  
>  Taxation is theft  
>
> References  
>
>  1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org  
>  2. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org  
>  3. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837  
>  4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
>  5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting  
>  6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
>  7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org  
>
>              
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   I took a quick look at Smith’s fb page and it is indeed almost all
   about this.

   Most disturbing in light of all the this-is-not-a-purge talk is his
   featuring of this clearly pro-purge fanmail:

   [cid:6F811495-0D5B-4C23-AE16-0AFC39078BD6]

   Susan Jane Hogarth

   Region 5 Alternate

   [1]919-906-2106

   On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:14 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business>
   wrote:

   I do a weekly fundraising drive for a candidate each week.

   If you are going to go to the trouble of counting emails, it would be
   nice if you went to the trouble of finding out things that don’t fit
   your narrative.  You could also do the same for Joshua.  He can speak
   to his own activities but I know for a fact that you caricature of him
   as only caring about this is woefully incorrect.
   By the time my promo schedule is done I will have raised as much.  We
   shouldn’t have to highlight our own candidacy efforts by putting other
   people’s efforts down.  That is a real issue in this Party.
   -Caryn Ann
   On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:02 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

     I vote no.
     I oppose socialism, support property rights, and think syndicalists
     (to
     use a more precise term for them) are naive, wrong, and internally
     inconsistent. If one of their tiny number is a candidate for office
     in
     Michigan, I think it's fair if Michigan sought to expel them or
     remove
     them from the ballot. If one of them in a position of LNC authority
     espouses views advocating violence or destruction of individual
     rights,
     I think it's fair to consider censure or removal.
     Neither is the case here. This resolution either reaffirms our
     platform
     - using some odd language that throws Georgists and mutualists under
     the
     bus too - or it expands our platform and turns the LNC into a purity
     police of Libertarian beliefs.
     Mr. Olsen mentioned real instances of people hesitant about joining
     the
     party because of the rise of these syndicalists. That gives me
     pause. If
     I were talking to such a person, I'd point out our platform as it
     stands
     and let them know that the weirdo socialists couldn't even fill one
     Uber, let alone pose any threat to our party. Would such a person be
     more reassured by a "reaffirmed" Platform than the current Platform?
     Are
     our SoP and Platform so weak that this group has managed to shake
     the
     foundations of our Party?
     I encounter people all the time who aren't sure what the Libertarian
     Party stand for because of our various strains of thought and our
     inability to focus on electing candidates. A non-binding resolution
     doesn't fix that. It actually makes it worse - signalling that we
     the
     LNC can't keep our eye on electing candidates, or at least on
     promoting
     Libertarian solutions to the problems of the day.
     In the four days, Ms. Harlos has written and sent 68 emails on this
     matter and Mr. Smith has posted 20 Facebook posts on this matter.
     They've decided this is their number one issue and want it to be the
     LNC's number one issue.
     If we're looking to demonstrate Libertarian relevance to voters, I
     would
     instead suggest one of the following could be our top item for
     discussion, action, or marketing this week:
     *China announces 25% tariffs on $60 billion worth of U.S. goods, in
     response to President Trump considering higher tariffs on $200
     billion
     worth of Chinese goods. The total negative effect of enacted and
     announced tariffs in this tariff war is 465,000 lost jobs and $150
     billion less in economic growth.
     *The U.S. Senate is poised to approve H.R. 6157, which increases
     Pentagon spending to $675 billion for this upcoming year. While
     federal
     spending is being boosted, the U.S. Treasury is expected to borrow
     $955
     billion this year, up from $519 billion last year.
     *$1.7 billion was spent on lobbying in Washington, DC in the first
     six
     months of this year, the highest since 2010. There are 9,785
     registered
     lobbyists in the nation's capital, or 18 for each member of
     Congress.
     *Electric power was restored to the entire island of Puerto Rico
     today
     for the first time since Hurricane Maria hit 328 days ago, a woeful
     testament to the commonwealth's dependence on the federal
     government.
     *Wildfires continue to devastate northern California, destroying
     thousands of homes and claiming 31 lives. Regulations prohibit
     timber
     companies from clearing out dense forests and removing an estimated
     129
     million dead trees, leaving a tinder box.
     *50 schoolchildren on a field trip were killed and 80 were wounded
     in a
     Saudi airstrike in northern Yemen that hit their bus last Thursday.
     The
     victims were age 6 to 11. U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo, on the
     phone
     with the Saudi Crown Prince a few days later, thanked the Saudis for
     their help in Syria and Iraq.
     *President Trump revoked the security clearance of one official who
     has
     spoken out against him, and fired an FBI official who spoke out
     against
     him.
     *California's Supreme Court struck down San Diego's decision
     (approved
     by 65% of voters) to put city employees into a 401k retirement plan
     instead of an antiquated and costly defined benefit pension plan. In
     DC,
     the WMATA transit agency lost a similar arbitration dispute.
     Taxpayers
     will have to pick up the tab in both instances.
     *Socialist Venezuela today defaulted on another $1.125 billion in
     bonds.
     Several dozen opposition figures have been rounded up for
     "questioning"
     following a drone assassination attempt on Maduro earlier this
     month.
     *New Zealand banned foreigners from buying property as a way of
     "solving" high housing prices. U.S. cities may look at the idea
     next.
     *North Dakota will vote on marijuana legalization, after LP activist
     Dave Owen and his org LegalizeND got the issue on the ballot this
     week.
     *And of course, our many great candidates who need donations,
     volunteers, and attention as they work to be elected and re-elected.
     Imagine how much money we could raise for them or activists we could
     get
     for them if we were e-mailing 68 times or posting 20 Facebook posts
     about them instead?
     Relating to the last point, over the next few days I'm going to
     personally donate $68 each - one for each of Ms. Harlos's emails
     about
     socialist entryism in the last four days - to ten LP candidates in
     winnable or ballot-access-important races across the country, and
     publicizing it to my network to encourage others to give as well. If
     all
     27 of us were to do the same, that's an injection of $18,360 and a
     clear
     demonstration that this LNC has its priorities in order. If all 27
     of us
     were to get our networks to do the same, that may make the
     difference
     between winning and not winning. I welcome anyone joining me in this
     pledge, regardless of how they vote on this resolution.
     JBH
     ------------
     Joe Bishop-Henchman
     LNC Member (At-Large)
     [2]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
     [3]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
     On 2018-08-15 05:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
     > We have an electronic mail ballot.
     >
     >    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
     > 11:59:59pm
     >    Pacific time.
     >
     >    Co-Sponsors:  Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
     Nekhaila,
     >    Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
     >
     >    Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
     >
     >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
     > therefore
     >    the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
     >    individual;
     >
     >    WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
     >    explicitly supports the right to private property ownership,
     > including
     >    the right to do business utilizing that property as capital;
     >
     >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
     >    individuals to own private property including land, structures,
     > natural
     >    resources and other private space through homesteading,
     purchase,
     > and
     >    other lawful libertarian means;
     >
     >    WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not
     limited to
     >    land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to
     > exist
     >    as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
     >
     >    WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the
     Libertarian
     >    Party since its inception;
     >
     >    THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist
     property
     >    ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,
     > unlawful
     >    usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of
     private
     >    property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties,
     are
     >    incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
     >
     >    =============================================
     >
     >    Important Bylaws note:
     >
     >    Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
     >
     >    Article 7:
     >
     >    ***
     >
     >    The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions by a
     ¾
     > vote
     >    with previous notice or by unanimous consent without previous
     > notice.
     >
     >    =============================================
     >
     >    You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
     here:
     >    [1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes are noted with a
     link to
     > the
     >    actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that
     the
     >    manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
     >
     >    Please notify me of any discrepancies.
     >    --
     >    In Liberty,
     >    Caryn Ann Harlos
     >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
     -
     >    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
     >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
     >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
     >    We defend your rights
     >    And oppose the use of force
     >    Taxation is theft
     >
     > References
     >
     >    1. [5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
     >    2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org

   --

   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
   - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

References

   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
   3. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
   4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
   5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
   6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org

References

   1. tel:919-906-2106
   2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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