[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Aug 16 20:12:49 EDT 2018


That is true.

And offline there’s a workgroup for alternate wording.  Let Alex know if
you want an invite.

I also am having a discussion with someone who claims the socialist label
(a misnomer imho but people can identify as a peanut butter sandwich for
all I care) but rejects the issues we also reject.

My concern is ONLY this: a rejection of property rights.  I do not care
what consenting people decide to voluntarily waive or expand.  (That’s a
generalization because obviously an all whites property could be allowed
but I would care very much - I just wouldn’t use force).

The loudest rabble rousers are those who are deflecting from the fact they
do deny property rights and are skilled in Alinsky tactics.

Caught in the middle are voluntaryists with different preferences than
standard property rights.  I have opened dialog with people of this group
who is just as appalled as the agression and mob tactics being associated
with their view.

-Caryn Ann




On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:47 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

>    I am pefectly comfortable with the message I am sending.  Loud and
>    proud.  Thanks for reminding me!
>    John Phillips
>    Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>    Cell [1]217-412-5973
>
>    ------ Original message------
>    From: Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
>    Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 6:36 PM
>    To: Lnc-Business;
>    Cc: Steven Nekhaila;
>    Subject:[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
>
>
>  I for one will never stop fighting for liberty, and that includes
> property righ
> ts. To those who have voted aye, I commend you. To those who have voted
> no, plea
> se realize the message this conveys to our members. In the end, the
> discussions
> don’t matter, only the message.
>
>
>
>  In Liberty,
>
>
> Steven Nekhaila
>
> Region 2 Representative
>
>
>
> impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
>
> “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Aug 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM,    wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  Good afternoon everyone,
> >
> >  Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own
> > property.
> >
> > 46 years ago, a few people in a living room in Colorado knew that these
> > 4 things were what would create a free society. They put their heart and
> > soul in to creating a vessel to get us there. They bled, they argued,
> > they lost sleep, they wrote, and they laid a foundation that would
> > eventually create the Libertarian Party. The place that all of us here
> > call home today. A place for the principled to go and fight back.
> >
> > They did this as a direct opposition to tyranny. They did this because
> > people in this country yearn to be free. They knew that people in this
> > country live their lives every day under an oppressive rule, and they
> > suffer heavily from Stockholm Syndrome. They created this party to wake
> > people up, and show them what a free society could look like for them.
> > The founders of this party had and still have intestinal fortitude. They
> > stood up to tyranny. They looked it directly in the face, and asserted
> > that it would not break us. They STOOD ON PRINCIPLE, always.
> >
> > Today, I stand witness to members on this board kowtowing to tyranny. I
> > am watching you open up this party to the exact types it was created to
> > defeat: Bullies who wish to prevent a free society, collectivists who
> > refute the rights of the individual, those who would contend that you
> > don't have the right to own a summer home or an extra car, and people
> > who will take your things. Communists and socialists, ideologies that
> > have literally killed more than 100 million people in the name of "the
> > greater good". I am ashamed to lay witness to leaders of this party who
> > act like that doesn't matter. This resolution was written in a style
> > that leaves it open for advocates of antithetical economic values to
> > participate, as long as they push for a voluntary model. The "lawful"
> > part many of you are upset about is an appeal to natural law- the law
> > that governs our rights. Those same rights that exist in the state of
> > nature, prior to, and in the complete absence of a state. What it did
> > not do is give those who wish to twist our principles into violence
> > against property and business owners even a single inch of wiggle room
> > to operate inside of our party, or our on platform. It was solid, and
> > worded exactly how it needed to be.
> >
> > Many of you ask "Why are we giving credence to 6 people in the party who
> > are whackos"? It's because it's not just 6 of them. I have personally
> > been in the trenches of this battle for the heart and soul of this party
> > for a year. They are recruiting. They are telling media and the public
> > that we support violence, the abolition of property and capital, and
> > terrible policy points like "Medicare for all". One of them did this on
> > RT; many of them are doing it through candidate statements. They are not
> > only driving good members and volunteers to leave, but they are
> > destroying our outreach. This resolution demonstrates to the outer
> > circle of this party, and the thousands and thousands of small l
> > libertarians that we care about principle, that we will not be bullied.
> > Standing up to tyranny is what Harry Browne did. It's what David Nolan,
> > and John Hospers, Ed Crane, Tonie Nathan, and Murray Rothbard did. These
> > great men and women who took up swords and said no more. Where is the
> > fight in you? Have that many of you really lost your way? Are you really
> > scared to reaffirm our stance on property in a way that secures our
> > party and principles from tyranny? We are always crying about people not
> > doing enough, and we can't even come together on something as simple as
> > strengthening our principles? What manner of example do you want to set?
> >
> > I unequivocally vote yes on this resolution. We have until Wednesday
> > night to show the party that we wont be bullied, or cater to communists
> > and socialists. There is still time to prove that you have the
> > intestinal fortitude to say "enough".
> >
> > I hope you will make the right decision in the eyes of our candidates,
> > local and state leaders, and hard-working volunteers across the country
> > who deserve a national leadership team that will undoubtedly stand on
> > our principles, always and without hesitation.
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Joshua D. Smith
> > LNC At Large
> >[2] Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>    Dear colleagues,
>    I for one will never stop fighting for liberty, and that includes
>    property rights. To those who have voted aye, I commend you. To those
>    who have voted no, please realize the message this conveys to our
>    members. In the end, the discussions don’t matter, only the message.
>    In Liberty,
>    Steven Nekhaila
>    Region 2 Representative
>    impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
>    “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
>    On Aug 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM, <[1][3]joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business>
>    wrote:
>
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>    Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own
> property.
>
> 46 years ago, a few people in a living room in Colorado knew that these
> 4 things were what would create a free society. They put their heart and
> soul in to creating a vessel to get us there. They bled, they argued,
> they lost sleep, they wrote, and they laid a foundation that would
> eventually create the Libertarian Party. The place that all of us here
> call home today. A place for the principled to go and fight back.
>
> They did this as a direct opposition to tyranny. They did this because
> people in this country yearn to be free. They knew that people in this
> country live their lives every day under an oppressive rule, and they
> suffer heavily from Stockholm Syndrome. They created this party to wake
> people up, and show them what a free society could look like for them.
> The founders of this party had and still have intestinal fortitude. They
> stood up to tyranny. They looked it directly in the face, and asserted
> that it would not break us. They STOOD ON PRINCIPLE, always.
>
> Today, I stand witness to members on this board kowtowing to tyranny. I
> am watching you open up this party to the exact types it was created to
> defeat: Bullies who wish to prevent a free society, collectivists who
> refute the rights of the individual, those who would contend that you
> don't have the right to own a summer home or an extra car, and people
> who will take your things. Communists and socialists, ideologies that
> have literally killed more than 100 million people in the name of "the
> greater good". I am ashamed to lay witness to leaders of this party who
> act like that doesn't matter. This resolution was written in a style
> that leaves it open for advocates of antithetical economic values to
> participate, as long as they push for a voluntary model. The "lawful"
> part many of you are upset about is an appeal to natural law- the law
> that governs our rights. Those same rights that exist in the state of
> nature, prior to, and in the complete absence of a state. What it did
> not do is give those who wish to twist our principles into violence
> against property and business owners even a single inch of wiggle room
> to operate inside of our party, or our on platform. It was solid, and
> worded exactly how it needed to be.
>
> Many of you ask "Why are we giving credence to 6 people in the party who
> are whackos"? It's because it's not just 6 of them. I have personally
> been in the trenches of this battle for the heart and soul of this party
> for a year. They are recruiting. They are telling media and the public
> that we support violence, the abolition of property and capital, and
> terrible policy points like "Medicare for all". One of them did this on
> RT; many of them are doing it through candidate statements. They are not
> only driving good members and volunteers to leave, but they are
> destroying our outreach. This resolution demonstrates to the outer
> circle of this party, and the thousands and thousands of small l
> libertarians that we care about principle, that we will not be bullied.
> Standing up to tyranny is what Harry Browne did. It's what David Nolan,
> and John Hospers, Ed Crane, Tonie Nathan, and Murray Rothbard did. These
> great men and women who took up swords and said no more. Where is the
> fight in you? Have that many of you really lost your way? Are you really
> scared to reaffirm our stance on property in a way that secures our
> party and principles from tyranny? We are always crying about people not
> doing enough, and we can't even come together on something as simple as
> strengthening our principles? What manner of example do you want to set?
>
> I unequivocally vote yes on this resolution. We have until Wednesday
> night to show the party that we wont be bullied, or cater to communists
> and socialists. There is still time to prove that you have the
> intestinal fortitude to say "enough".
>
> I hope you will make the right decision in the eyes of our candidates,
> local and state leaders, and hard-working volunteers across the country
> who deserve a national leadership team that will undoubtedly stand on
> our principles, always and without hesitation.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Joshua D. Smith
> LNC At Large[4]
> Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto[5]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
> References
>
>    1. tel:217-412-5973
>    2. mailto: Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
>    3. http://joshua.sm/
>    4. mailto:
> Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
>    5. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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   That is true.

   And offline there’s a workgroup for alternate wording.  Let Alex know
   if you want an invite.

   I also am having a discussion with someone who claims the socialist
   label (a misnomer imho but people can identify as a peanut butter
   sandwich for all I care) but rejects the issues we also reject.

   My concern is ONLY this: a rejection of property rights.  I do not care
   what consenting people decide to voluntarily waive or expand.  (That’s
   a generalization because obviously an all whites property could be
   allowed but I would care very much - I just wouldn’t use force).

   The loudest rabble rousers are those who are deflecting from the fact
   they do deny property rights and are skilled in Alinsky tactics.

   Caught in the middle are voluntaryists with different preferences than
   standard property rights.  I have opened dialog with people of this
   group who is just as appalled as the agression and mob tactics being
   associated with their view.

   -Caryn Ann

   On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:47 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

        I am pefectly comfortable with the message I am sending.  Loud
     and
        proud.  Thanks for reminding me!
        John Phillips
        Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
        Cell [1]217-412-5973
        ------ Original message------
        From: Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
        Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 6:36 PM
        To: Lnc-Business;
        Cc: Steven Nekhaila;
        Subject:[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS
     RESOLUTION
     Dear colleagues,
      I for one will never stop fighting for liberty, and that includes
     property righ
     ts. To those who have voted aye, I commend you. To those who have
     voted no, plea
     se realize the message this conveys to our members. In the end, the
     discussions
     don’t matter, only the message.
      In Liberty,
     Steven Nekhaila
     Region 2 Representative
     impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
     “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
     >
     > On Aug 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM,    wrote:
     >
     >
     >
     >  Good afternoon everyone,
     >
     >  Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own
     > property.
     >
     > 46 years ago, a few people in a living room in Colorado knew that
     these
     > 4 things were what would create a free society. They put their
     heart and
     > soul in to creating a vessel to get us there. They bled, they
     argued,
     > they lost sleep, they wrote, and they laid a foundation that would
     > eventually create the Libertarian Party. The place that all of us
     here
     > call home today. A place for the principled to go and fight back.
     >
     > They did this as a direct opposition to tyranny. They did this
     because
     > people in this country yearn to be free. They knew that people in
     this
     > country live their lives every day under an oppressive rule, and
     they
     > suffer heavily from Stockholm Syndrome. They created this party to
     wake
     > people up, and show them what a free society could look like for
     them.
     > The founders of this party had and still have intestinal
     fortitude. They
     > stood up to tyranny. They looked it directly in the face, and
     asserted
     > that it would not break us. They STOOD ON PRINCIPLE, always.
     >
     > Today, I stand witness to members on this board kowtowing to
     tyranny. I
     > am watching you open up this party to the exact types it was
     created to
     > defeat: Bullies who wish to prevent a free society, collectivists
     who
     > refute the rights of the individual, those who would contend that
     you
     > don't have the right to own a summer home or an extra car, and
     people
     > who will take your things. Communists and socialists, ideologies
     that
     > have literally killed more than 100 million people in the name of
     "the
     > greater good". I am ashamed to lay witness to leaders of this
     party who
     > act like that doesn't matter. This resolution was written in a
     style
     > that leaves it open for advocates of antithetical economic values
     to
     > participate, as long as they push for a voluntary model. The
     "lawful"
     > part many of you are upset about is an appeal to natural law- the
     law
     > that governs our rights. Those same rights that exist in the state
     of
     > nature, prior to, and in the complete absence of a state. What it
     did
     > not do is give those who wish to twist our principles into
     violence
     > against property and business owners even a single inch of wiggle
     room
     > to operate inside of our party, or our on platform. It was solid,
     and
     > worded exactly how it needed to be.
     >
     > Many of you ask "Why are we giving credence to 6 people in the
     party who
     > are whackos"? It's because it's not just 6 of them. I have
     personally
     > been in the trenches of this battle for the heart and soul of this
     party
     > for a year. They are recruiting. They are telling media and the
     public
     > that we support violence, the abolition of property and capital,
     and
     > terrible policy points like "Medicare for all". One of them did
     this on
     > RT; many of them are doing it through candidate statements. They
     are not
     > only driving good members and volunteers to leave, but they are
     > destroying our outreach. This resolution demonstrates to the outer
     > circle of this party, and the thousands and thousands of small l
     > libertarians that we care about principle, that we will not be
     bullied.
     > Standing up to tyranny is what Harry Browne did. It's what David
     Nolan,
     > and John Hospers, Ed Crane, Tonie Nathan, and Murray Rothbard did.
     These
     > great men and women who took up swords and said no more. Where is
     the
     > fight in you? Have that many of you really lost your way? Are you
     really
     > scared to reaffirm our stance on property in a way that secures
     our
     > party and principles from tyranny? We are always crying about
     people not
     > doing enough, and we can't even come together on something as
     simple as
     > strengthening our principles? What manner of example do you want
     to set?
     >
     > I unequivocally vote yes on this resolution. We have until
     Wednesday
     > night to show the party that we wont be bullied, or cater to
     communists
     > and socialists. There is still time to prove that you have the
     > intestinal fortitude to say "enough".
     >
     > I hope you will make the right decision in the eyes of our
     candidates,
     > local and state leaders, and hard-working volunteers across the
     country
     > who deserve a national leadership team that will undoubtedly stand
     on
     > our principles, always and without hesitation.
     >
     >
     > Thank you,
     > Joshua D. Smith
     > LNC At Large
     >[2] [2]Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
     >
     >
        Dear colleagues,
        I for one will never stop fighting for liberty, and that includes
        property rights. To those who have voted aye, I commend you. To
     those
        who have voted no, please realize the message this conveys to our
        members. In the end, the discussions don’t matter, only the
     message.
        In Liberty,
        Steven Nekhaila
        Region 2 Representative
        impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
        “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
        On Aug 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM, <[1][3]joshua.smith--- via
     Lnc-business>
        wrote:
     Good afternoon everyone,
        Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own
     property.
     46 years ago, a few people in a living room in Colorado knew that
     these
     4 things were what would create a free society. They put their heart
     and
     soul in to creating a vessel to get us there. They bled, they
     argued,
     they lost sleep, they wrote, and they laid a foundation that would
     eventually create the Libertarian Party. The place that all of us
     here
     call home today. A place for the principled to go and fight back.
     They did this as a direct opposition to tyranny. They did this
     because
     people in this country yearn to be free. They knew that people in
     this
     country live their lives every day under an oppressive rule, and
     they
     suffer heavily from Stockholm Syndrome. They created this party to
     wake
     people up, and show them what a free society could look like for
     them.
     The founders of this party had and still have intestinal fortitude.
     They
     stood up to tyranny. They looked it directly in the face, and
     asserted
     that it would not break us. They STOOD ON PRINCIPLE, always.
     Today, I stand witness to members on this board kowtowing to
     tyranny. I
     am watching you open up this party to the exact types it was created
     to
     defeat: Bullies who wish to prevent a free society, collectivists
     who
     refute the rights of the individual, those who would contend that
     you
     don't have the right to own a summer home or an extra car, and
     people
     who will take your things. Communists and socialists, ideologies
     that
     have literally killed more than 100 million people in the name of
     "the
     greater good". I am ashamed to lay witness to leaders of this party
     who
     act like that doesn't matter. This resolution was written in a style
     that leaves it open for advocates of antithetical economic values to
     participate, as long as they push for a voluntary model. The
     "lawful"
     part many of you are upset about is an appeal to natural law- the
     law
     that governs our rights. Those same rights that exist in the state
     of
     nature, prior to, and in the complete absence of a state. What it
     did
     not do is give those who wish to twist our principles into violence
     against property and business owners even a single inch of wiggle
     room
     to operate inside of our party, or our on platform. It was solid,
     and
     worded exactly how it needed to be.
     Many of you ask "Why are we giving credence to 6 people in the party
     who
     are whackos"? It's because it's not just 6 of them. I have
     personally
     been in the trenches of this battle for the heart and soul of this
     party
     for a year. They are recruiting. They are telling media and the
     public
     that we support violence, the abolition of property and capital, and
     terrible policy points like "Medicare for all". One of them did this
     on
     RT; many of them are doing it through candidate statements. They are
     not
     only driving good members and volunteers to leave, but they are
     destroying our outreach. This resolution demonstrates to the outer
     circle of this party, and the thousands and thousands of small l
     libertarians that we care about principle, that we will not be
     bullied.
     Standing up to tyranny is what Harry Browne did. It's what David
     Nolan,
     and John Hospers, Ed Crane, Tonie Nathan, and Murray Rothbard did.
     These
     great men and women who took up swords and said no more. Where is
     the
     fight in you? Have that many of you really lost your way? Are you
     really
     scared to reaffirm our stance on property in a way that secures our
     party and principles from tyranny? We are always crying about people
     not
     doing enough, and we can't even come together on something as simple
     as
     strengthening our principles? What manner of example do you want to
     set?
     I unequivocally vote yes on this resolution. We have until Wednesday
     night to show the party that we wont be bullied, or cater to
     communists
     and socialists. There is still time to prove that you have the
     intestinal fortitude to say "enough".
     I hope you will make the right decision in the eyes of our
     candidates,
     local and state leaders, and hard-working volunteers across the
     country
     who deserve a national leadership team that will undoubtedly stand
     on
     our principles, always and without hesitation.
     Thank you,
     Joshua D. Smith
     LNC At Large[4]
     [3]Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
     References
        1. mailto[5]:[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
     References
        1. tel:217-412-5973
        2. mailto: [5]Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
        3. [6]http://joshua.sm/
        4. mailto:
     [7]Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
        5. mailto::[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org

   --

   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
   - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

References

   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto:Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
   3. mailto:Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
   4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. mailto:Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
   6. http://joshua.sm/
   7. mailto:Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
   8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org


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