[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Aug 16 20:12:49 EDT 2018
That is true.
And offline there’s a workgroup for alternate wording. Let Alex know if
you want an invite.
I also am having a discussion with someone who claims the socialist label
(a misnomer imho but people can identify as a peanut butter sandwich for
all I care) but rejects the issues we also reject.
My concern is ONLY this: a rejection of property rights. I do not care
what consenting people decide to voluntarily waive or expand. (That’s a
generalization because obviously an all whites property could be allowed
but I would care very much - I just wouldn’t use force).
The loudest rabble rousers are those who are deflecting from the fact they
do deny property rights and are skilled in Alinsky tactics.
Caught in the middle are voluntaryists with different preferences than
standard property rights. I have opened dialog with people of this group
who is just as appalled as the agression and mob tactics being associated
with their view.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:47 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I am pefectly comfortable with the message I am sending. Loud and
> proud. Thanks for reminding me!
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
> Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 6:36 PM
> To: Lnc-Business;
> Cc: Steven Nekhaila;
> Subject:[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
>
>
>
>
> I for one will never stop fighting for liberty, and that includes
> property righ
> ts. To those who have voted aye, I commend you. To those who have voted
> no, plea
> se realize the message this conveys to our members. In the end, the
> discussions
> don’t matter, only the message.
>
>
>
> In Liberty,
>
>
> Steven Nekhaila
>
> Region 2 Representative
>
>
>
> impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
>
> “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Aug 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM, wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon everyone,
> >
> > Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own
> > property.
> >
> > 46 years ago, a few people in a living room in Colorado knew that these
> > 4 things were what would create a free society. They put their heart and
> > soul in to creating a vessel to get us there. They bled, they argued,
> > they lost sleep, they wrote, and they laid a foundation that would
> > eventually create the Libertarian Party. The place that all of us here
> > call home today. A place for the principled to go and fight back.
> >
> > They did this as a direct opposition to tyranny. They did this because
> > people in this country yearn to be free. They knew that people in this
> > country live their lives every day under an oppressive rule, and they
> > suffer heavily from Stockholm Syndrome. They created this party to wake
> > people up, and show them what a free society could look like for them.
> > The founders of this party had and still have intestinal fortitude. They
> > stood up to tyranny. They looked it directly in the face, and asserted
> > that it would not break us. They STOOD ON PRINCIPLE, always.
> >
> > Today, I stand witness to members on this board kowtowing to tyranny. I
> > am watching you open up this party to the exact types it was created to
> > defeat: Bullies who wish to prevent a free society, collectivists who
> > refute the rights of the individual, those who would contend that you
> > don't have the right to own a summer home or an extra car, and people
> > who will take your things. Communists and socialists, ideologies that
> > have literally killed more than 100 million people in the name of "the
> > greater good". I am ashamed to lay witness to leaders of this party who
> > act like that doesn't matter. This resolution was written in a style
> > that leaves it open for advocates of antithetical economic values to
> > participate, as long as they push for a voluntary model. The "lawful"
> > part many of you are upset about is an appeal to natural law- the law
> > that governs our rights. Those same rights that exist in the state of
> > nature, prior to, and in the complete absence of a state. What it did
> > not do is give those who wish to twist our principles into violence
> > against property and business owners even a single inch of wiggle room
> > to operate inside of our party, or our on platform. It was solid, and
> > worded exactly how it needed to be.
> >
> > Many of you ask "Why are we giving credence to 6 people in the party who
> > are whackos"? It's because it's not just 6 of them. I have personally
> > been in the trenches of this battle for the heart and soul of this party
> > for a year. They are recruiting. They are telling media and the public
> > that we support violence, the abolition of property and capital, and
> > terrible policy points like "Medicare for all". One of them did this on
> > RT; many of them are doing it through candidate statements. They are not
> > only driving good members and volunteers to leave, but they are
> > destroying our outreach. This resolution demonstrates to the outer
> > circle of this party, and the thousands and thousands of small l
> > libertarians that we care about principle, that we will not be bullied.
> > Standing up to tyranny is what Harry Browne did. It's what David Nolan,
> > and John Hospers, Ed Crane, Tonie Nathan, and Murray Rothbard did. These
> > great men and women who took up swords and said no more. Where is the
> > fight in you? Have that many of you really lost your way? Are you really
> > scared to reaffirm our stance on property in a way that secures our
> > party and principles from tyranny? We are always crying about people not
> > doing enough, and we can't even come together on something as simple as
> > strengthening our principles? What manner of example do you want to set?
> >
> > I unequivocally vote yes on this resolution. We have until Wednesday
> > night to show the party that we wont be bullied, or cater to communists
> > and socialists. There is still time to prove that you have the
> > intestinal fortitude to say "enough".
> >
> > I hope you will make the right decision in the eyes of our candidates,
> > local and state leaders, and hard-working volunteers across the country
> > who deserve a national leadership team that will undoubtedly stand on
> > our principles, always and without hesitation.
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Joshua D. Smith
> > LNC At Large
> >[2] Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
> I for one will never stop fighting for liberty, and that includes
> property rights. To those who have voted aye, I commend you. To those
> who have voted no, please realize the message this conveys to our
> members. In the end, the discussions don’t matter, only the message.
> In Liberty,
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative
> impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
> “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
> On Aug 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM, <[1][3]joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business>
> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
> Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own
> property.
>
> 46 years ago, a few people in a living room in Colorado knew that these
> 4 things were what would create a free society. They put their heart and
> soul in to creating a vessel to get us there. They bled, they argued,
> they lost sleep, they wrote, and they laid a foundation that would
> eventually create the Libertarian Party. The place that all of us here
> call home today. A place for the principled to go and fight back.
>
> They did this as a direct opposition to tyranny. They did this because
> people in this country yearn to be free. They knew that people in this
> country live their lives every day under an oppressive rule, and they
> suffer heavily from Stockholm Syndrome. They created this party to wake
> people up, and show them what a free society could look like for them.
> The founders of this party had and still have intestinal fortitude. They
> stood up to tyranny. They looked it directly in the face, and asserted
> that it would not break us. They STOOD ON PRINCIPLE, always.
>
> Today, I stand witness to members on this board kowtowing to tyranny. I
> am watching you open up this party to the exact types it was created to
> defeat: Bullies who wish to prevent a free society, collectivists who
> refute the rights of the individual, those who would contend that you
> don't have the right to own a summer home or an extra car, and people
> who will take your things. Communists and socialists, ideologies that
> have literally killed more than 100 million people in the name of "the
> greater good". I am ashamed to lay witness to leaders of this party who
> act like that doesn't matter. This resolution was written in a style
> that leaves it open for advocates of antithetical economic values to
> participate, as long as they push for a voluntary model. The "lawful"
> part many of you are upset about is an appeal to natural law- the law
> that governs our rights. Those same rights that exist in the state of
> nature, prior to, and in the complete absence of a state. What it did
> not do is give those who wish to twist our principles into violence
> against property and business owners even a single inch of wiggle room
> to operate inside of our party, or our on platform. It was solid, and
> worded exactly how it needed to be.
>
> Many of you ask "Why are we giving credence to 6 people in the party who
> are whackos"? It's because it's not just 6 of them. I have personally
> been in the trenches of this battle for the heart and soul of this party
> for a year. They are recruiting. They are telling media and the public
> that we support violence, the abolition of property and capital, and
> terrible policy points like "Medicare for all". One of them did this on
> RT; many of them are doing it through candidate statements. They are not
> only driving good members and volunteers to leave, but they are
> destroying our outreach. This resolution demonstrates to the outer
> circle of this party, and the thousands and thousands of small l
> libertarians that we care about principle, that we will not be bullied.
> Standing up to tyranny is what Harry Browne did. It's what David Nolan,
> and John Hospers, Ed Crane, Tonie Nathan, and Murray Rothbard did. These
> great men and women who took up swords and said no more. Where is the
> fight in you? Have that many of you really lost your way? Are you really
> scared to reaffirm our stance on property in a way that secures our
> party and principles from tyranny? We are always crying about people not
> doing enough, and we can't even come together on something as simple as
> strengthening our principles? What manner of example do you want to set?
>
> I unequivocally vote yes on this resolution. We have until Wednesday
> night to show the party that we wont be bullied, or cater to communists
> and socialists. There is still time to prove that you have the
> intestinal fortitude to say "enough".
>
> I hope you will make the right decision in the eyes of our candidates,
> local and state leaders, and hard-working volunteers across the country
> who deserve a national leadership team that will undoubtedly stand on
> our principles, always and without hesitation.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Joshua D. Smith
> LNC At Large[4]
> Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[5]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:217-412-5973
> 2. mailto: Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
> 3. http://joshua.sm/
> 4. mailto:
> Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
> 5. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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That is true.
And offline there’s a workgroup for alternate wording. Let Alex know
if you want an invite.
I also am having a discussion with someone who claims the socialist
label (a misnomer imho but people can identify as a peanut butter
sandwich for all I care) but rejects the issues we also reject.
My concern is ONLY this: a rejection of property rights. I do not care
what consenting people decide to voluntarily waive or expand. (That’s
a generalization because obviously an all whites property could be
allowed but I would care very much - I just wouldn’t use force).
The loudest rabble rousers are those who are deflecting from the fact
they do deny property rights and are skilled in Alinsky tactics.
Caught in the middle are voluntaryists with different preferences than
standard property rights. I have opened dialog with people of this
group who is just as appalled as the agression and mob tactics being
associated with their view.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:47 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I am pefectly comfortable with the message I am sending. Loud
and
proud. Thanks for reminding me!
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 6:36 PM
To: Lnc-Business;
Cc: Steven Nekhaila;
Subject:[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS
RESOLUTION
Dear colleagues,
I for one will never stop fighting for liberty, and that includes
property righ
ts. To those who have voted aye, I commend you. To those who have
voted no, plea
se realize the message this conveys to our members. In the end, the
discussions
don’t matter, only the message.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
“Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
> On Aug 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
> Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own
> property.
>
> 46 years ago, a few people in a living room in Colorado knew that
these
> 4 things were what would create a free society. They put their
heart and
> soul in to creating a vessel to get us there. They bled, they
argued,
> they lost sleep, they wrote, and they laid a foundation that would
> eventually create the Libertarian Party. The place that all of us
here
> call home today. A place for the principled to go and fight back.
>
> They did this as a direct opposition to tyranny. They did this
because
> people in this country yearn to be free. They knew that people in
this
> country live their lives every day under an oppressive rule, and
they
> suffer heavily from Stockholm Syndrome. They created this party to
wake
> people up, and show them what a free society could look like for
them.
> The founders of this party had and still have intestinal
fortitude. They
> stood up to tyranny. They looked it directly in the face, and
asserted
> that it would not break us. They STOOD ON PRINCIPLE, always.
>
> Today, I stand witness to members on this board kowtowing to
tyranny. I
> am watching you open up this party to the exact types it was
created to
> defeat: Bullies who wish to prevent a free society, collectivists
who
> refute the rights of the individual, those who would contend that
you
> don't have the right to own a summer home or an extra car, and
people
> who will take your things. Communists and socialists, ideologies
that
> have literally killed more than 100 million people in the name of
"the
> greater good". I am ashamed to lay witness to leaders of this
party who
> act like that doesn't matter. This resolution was written in a
style
> that leaves it open for advocates of antithetical economic values
to
> participate, as long as they push for a voluntary model. The
"lawful"
> part many of you are upset about is an appeal to natural law- the
law
> that governs our rights. Those same rights that exist in the state
of
> nature, prior to, and in the complete absence of a state. What it
did
> not do is give those who wish to twist our principles into
violence
> against property and business owners even a single inch of wiggle
room
> to operate inside of our party, or our on platform. It was solid,
and
> worded exactly how it needed to be.
>
> Many of you ask "Why are we giving credence to 6 people in the
party who
> are whackos"? It's because it's not just 6 of them. I have
personally
> been in the trenches of this battle for the heart and soul of this
party
> for a year. They are recruiting. They are telling media and the
public
> that we support violence, the abolition of property and capital,
and
> terrible policy points like "Medicare for all". One of them did
this on
> RT; many of them are doing it through candidate statements. They
are not
> only driving good members and volunteers to leave, but they are
> destroying our outreach. This resolution demonstrates to the outer
> circle of this party, and the thousands and thousands of small l
> libertarians that we care about principle, that we will not be
bullied.
> Standing up to tyranny is what Harry Browne did. It's what David
Nolan,
> and John Hospers, Ed Crane, Tonie Nathan, and Murray Rothbard did.
These
> great men and women who took up swords and said no more. Where is
the
> fight in you? Have that many of you really lost your way? Are you
really
> scared to reaffirm our stance on property in a way that secures
our
> party and principles from tyranny? We are always crying about
people not
> doing enough, and we can't even come together on something as
simple as
> strengthening our principles? What manner of example do you want
to set?
>
> I unequivocally vote yes on this resolution. We have until
Wednesday
> night to show the party that we wont be bullied, or cater to
communists
> and socialists. There is still time to prove that you have the
> intestinal fortitude to say "enough".
>
> I hope you will make the right decision in the eyes of our
candidates,
> local and state leaders, and hard-working volunteers across the
country
> who deserve a national leadership team that will undoubtedly stand
on
> our principles, always and without hesitation.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Joshua D. Smith
> LNC At Large
>[2] [2]Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
>
>
Dear colleagues,
I for one will never stop fighting for liberty, and that includes
property rights. To those who have voted aye, I commend you. To
those
who have voted no, please realize the message this conveys to our
members. In the end, the discussions don’t matter, only the
message.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
“Those without power cannot defend freedom”
On Aug 16, 2018 at 5:01 PM, <[1][3]joshua.smith--- via
Lnc-business>
wrote:
Good afternoon everyone,
Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to own
property.
46 years ago, a few people in a living room in Colorado knew that
these
4 things were what would create a free society. They put their heart
and
soul in to creating a vessel to get us there. They bled, they
argued,
they lost sleep, they wrote, and they laid a foundation that would
eventually create the Libertarian Party. The place that all of us
here
call home today. A place for the principled to go and fight back.
They did this as a direct opposition to tyranny. They did this
because
people in this country yearn to be free. They knew that people in
this
country live their lives every day under an oppressive rule, and
they
suffer heavily from Stockholm Syndrome. They created this party to
wake
people up, and show them what a free society could look like for
them.
The founders of this party had and still have intestinal fortitude.
They
stood up to tyranny. They looked it directly in the face, and
asserted
that it would not break us. They STOOD ON PRINCIPLE, always.
Today, I stand witness to members on this board kowtowing to
tyranny. I
am watching you open up this party to the exact types it was created
to
defeat: Bullies who wish to prevent a free society, collectivists
who
refute the rights of the individual, those who would contend that
you
don't have the right to own a summer home or an extra car, and
people
who will take your things. Communists and socialists, ideologies
that
have literally killed more than 100 million people in the name of
"the
greater good". I am ashamed to lay witness to leaders of this party
who
act like that doesn't matter. This resolution was written in a style
that leaves it open for advocates of antithetical economic values to
participate, as long as they push for a voluntary model. The
"lawful"
part many of you are upset about is an appeal to natural law- the
law
that governs our rights. Those same rights that exist in the state
of
nature, prior to, and in the complete absence of a state. What it
did
not do is give those who wish to twist our principles into violence
against property and business owners even a single inch of wiggle
room
to operate inside of our party, or our on platform. It was solid,
and
worded exactly how it needed to be.
Many of you ask "Why are we giving credence to 6 people in the party
who
are whackos"? It's because it's not just 6 of them. I have
personally
been in the trenches of this battle for the heart and soul of this
party
for a year. They are recruiting. They are telling media and the
public
that we support violence, the abolition of property and capital, and
terrible policy points like "Medicare for all". One of them did this
on
RT; many of them are doing it through candidate statements. They are
not
only driving good members and volunteers to leave, but they are
destroying our outreach. This resolution demonstrates to the outer
circle of this party, and the thousands and thousands of small l
libertarians that we care about principle, that we will not be
bullied.
Standing up to tyranny is what Harry Browne did. It's what David
Nolan,
and John Hospers, Ed Crane, Tonie Nathan, and Murray Rothbard did.
These
great men and women who took up swords and said no more. Where is
the
fight in you? Have that many of you really lost your way? Are you
really
scared to reaffirm our stance on property in a way that secures our
party and principles from tyranny? We are always crying about people
not
doing enough, and we can't even come together on something as simple
as
strengthening our principles? What manner of example do you want to
set?
I unequivocally vote yes on this resolution. We have until Wednesday
night to show the party that we wont be bullied, or cater to
communists
and socialists. There is still time to prove that you have the
intestinal fortitude to say "enough".
I hope you will make the right decision in the eyes of our
candidates,
local and state leaders, and hard-working volunteers across the
country
who deserve a national leadership team that will undoubtedly stand
on
our principles, always and without hesitation.
Thank you,
Joshua D. Smith
LNC At Large[4]
[3]Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
References
1. mailto[5]:[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto: [5]Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
3. [6]http://joshua.sm/
4. mailto:
[7]Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
5. mailto::[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
3. mailto:Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
6. http://joshua.sm/
7. mailto:Joshua.Smith at LP.ORG
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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