[Lnc-business] the FB group
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Aug 18 06:54:14 EDT 2018
PS: I counted them. It wasn't 68. It was in the 40s because I interact
with each person's comments. Do people post to the list not to get a
response?? I am sorry, but it is NOT unreasonable to have that many emails
when someone is very very active in a group of 17 people. I am not going
to force anyone to conform to my communication style which I tried last
term which was I used to rail on the fact that some people don't
participate at all. I stopped doing it when I realized what I was doing;
trying to make people in my image. I ask the same courtesy. And like it
or not, dealing with this email list is part of the job. If we met more
often, there would be less emails. As I say periodically, the fact that we
do not meet monthly is ridiculous to me.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> Joe with all due respect you signed up to part of a group of diverse
> people, not to dictate to them that they must conform to your communication
> style. I have to tell you that I have zero intention of changing my
> practice so if you think the sarcastic method built understanding or
> cooperation. It didn't. It only built resentment.
>
> So perhaps we can start over?
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <brent.olsen at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> For the record, not that it matters, I am tolerant of whatever way people
>> want to communicate, as long as it is respectful. I try to be respectful,
>> but when I see people becoming disrespectful it gets hard.... Though I
>> still try.
>>
>> I don't mind the 68 email from Caryn Ann. I don't mind the snarky emails
>> from Sam Goldstein. I don't mind the well-thought and generally diplomatic
>> emails from Alex Merced or Joe Bishop-Henchman. I get annoyed, however,
>> with the constant belittling and berating from some on this list towards
>> others. I sure would love to see everyone working together in a generally
>> civil manner. I hope as we get to know each other in person at LNC
>> meetings the manner in which we interact online changes. Because the lack
>> of tolerance I see for like-minded individuals in this group is barely
>> tolerable for me. Sure, I may not want to be tolerant to Libertarians
>> running for office expressing support for the use of force to usurp
>> property from property owners, and I feel our body (or preferably our
>> Chair) should make a statement against such things (especially when aid
>> candidate is going to do interviews on RT or other media networks), just as
>> I would expect my Chair (or this body) to make a statement against a
>> Libertarian candidate supporting a eugenics program.... But, in general,
>> I am usually pretty tolerant, and hope you'd all be tolerant. But
>> sometimes I wonder.... Just my two cents...
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
>> Alternate, Region 4
>>
>> On 2018-08-17 14:38, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>>> Not everyone communicates the same way Joe, and we all have to be
>>> tolerant of that. It is demeaning to be singled out- just consider
>>> that, that’s all I ask.
>>>
>>> Some folks here react with far more emotion than I care for. But I
>>> try
>>> hard not to shame them for it but rather just ignore it if it is not
>>> my
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> Personal styles are personal, and people are far more likely to adjust
>>> habits when they feel respected because they then like the requester
>>> which results in everyone voluntarily going out of their way to
>>> accommodate other people.
>>>
>>> Your way is not my way. My way is not your way. And that’s okay.
>>>
>>> I think that’s the beginning of a spicey maymay.
>>>
>>> Hey hey.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:03 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>> <[1]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Efforts to work are welcome. Sending 68 emails in four days saying
>>> the
>>> same thing over and over, rushing to immediately respond to every.
>>> single. email. as if one has a duty to rise to the challenge for
>>> truth,
>>> justice, and the American Way, is counterproductive.
>>> I often sleep on an email before I reply to it, if it's important
>>> but
>>> not urgent. Most people are very careful with how they write emails,
>>> with meanings that take a couple of readings. If I rush to get my
>>> word
>>> in edgewise, I miss that and people notice that I'm not hearing what
>>> they're trying to say.
>>> JBH
>>> ------------
>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>> [2]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>> [3]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>> On 2018-08-17 16:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > It’s unfortunate Alex when no good deed goes unpunished.
>>> > If needed (ie if efforts to work here keep getting met by email
>>> > tallies), I will recreate a group - as an openly viewable group
>>> for
>>> > anyone who needs to workshop something.
>>> > This is now a step backwards in transparency since people will
>>> go
>>> > back
>>> > to personal discussions. It’s really unfortunate.
>>> > -Caryn Ann
>>> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:43 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair)
>>> via
>>> > Lnc-business <[1][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My intention was to try to facilitate working on business but
>>> that
>>> > seems to have been the result, I apologize for not helping. I
>>> will
>>> > delete the group, I haven’t done anything yet cause I wanted
>>> feed
>>> > back and also cause I’m currently at work. This is not worth
>>> this
>>> > level of frustration, I’m deleting the group.
>>> > I was totally fine with making it open which I was planning
>>> to do
>>> > when I got home from work but all this back and forth I’m
>>> seeing
>>> > is
>>> > not worth it when my intention was the opposite so I’ll be
>>> > deleting
>>> > the group. I figured another outlet could of been great way
>>> to
>>> > facilitate work and reduce frustration, and making it
>>> transparent
>>> > was fine with me of course I just wanted everyone on the same
>>> > page.
>>> > I’m deleting the group, to the extent people work off the
>>> list I
>>> > ask
>>> > that you keep me informed so I can help and give feedback but
>>> I’m
>>> > at
>>> > least for the time being taking a step back from trying to
>>> > facilitate as their are many campaigns and efforts I want to
>>> be
>>> > committing my efforts too.
>>> > Alex Merced
>>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > In Liberty,
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> > We defend your rights
>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>> > Taxation is theft
>>> >
>>> > References
>>> >
>>> > 1. mailto:[5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>> 2. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>> 3. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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PS: I counted them. It wasn't 68. It was in the 40s because I
interact with each person's comments. Do people post to the list not to
get a response?? I am sorry, but it is NOT unreasonable to have that
many emails when someone is very very active in a group of 17 people.
I am not going to force anyone to conform to my communication style
which I tried last term which was I used to rail on the fact that some
people don't participate at all. I stopped doing it when I realized
what I was doing; trying to make people in my image. I ask the same
courtesy. And like it or not, dealing with this email list is part of
the job. If we met more often, there would be less emails. As I say
periodically, the fact that we do not meet monthly is ridiculous to me.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Joe with all due respect you signed up to part of a group of diverse
people, not to dictate to them that they must conform to your
communication style. I have to tell you that I have zero intention of
changing my practice so if you think the sarcastic method built
understanding or cooperation. It didn't. It only built resentment.
So perhaps we can start over?
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <[2]brent.olsen at lp.org> wrote:
For the record, not that it matters, I am tolerant of whatever way
people want to communicate, as long as it is respectful. I try to
be respectful, but when I see people becoming disrespectful it gets
hard.... Though I still try.
I don't mind the 68 email from Caryn Ann. I don't mind the snarky
emails from Sam Goldstein. I don't mind the well-thought and
generally diplomatic emails from Alex Merced or Joe
Bishop-Henchman. I get annoyed, however, with the constant
belittling and berating from some on this list towards others. I
sure would love to see everyone working together in a generally
civil manner. I hope as we get to know each other in person at LNC
meetings the manner in which we interact online changes. Because the
lack of tolerance I see for like-minded individuals in this group is
barely tolerable for me. Sure, I may not want to be tolerant to
Libertarians running for office expressing support for the use of
force to usurp property from property owners, and I feel our body
(or preferably our Chair) should make a statement against such
things (especially when aid candidate is going to do interviews on
RT or other media networks), just as I would expect my Chair (or
this body) to make a statement against a Libertarian candidate
supporting a eugenics program.... But, in general, I am usually
pretty tolerant, and hope you'd all be tolerant. But sometimes I
wonder.... Just my two cents...
In Liberty,
K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
Alternate, Region 4
On 2018-08-17 14:38, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Not everyone communicates the same way Joe, and we all have to be
tolerant of that. It is demeaning to be singled out- just
consider
that, that’s all I ask.
Some folks here react with far more emotion than I care for. But
I try
hard not to shame them for it but rather just ignore it if it is
not my
thing.
Personal styles are personal, and people are far more likely to
adjust
habits when they feel respected because they then like the
requester
which results in everyone voluntarily going out of their way to
accommodate other people.
Your way is not my way. My way is not your way. And that’s
okay.
I think that’s the beginning of a spicey maymay.
Hey hey.
-Caryn Ann
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:03 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman
<[1][3]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
Efforts to work are welcome. Sending 68 emails in four days
saying
the
same thing over and over, rushing to immediately respond to
every.
single. email. as if one has a duty to rise to the challenge
for
truth,
justice, and the American Way, is counterproductive.
I often sleep on an email before I reply to it, if it's
important
but
not urgent. Most people are very careful with how they write
emails,
with meanings that take a couple of readings. If I rush to get
my
word
in edgewise, I miss that and people notice that I'm not hearing
what
they're trying to say.
JBH
------------
Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
[2][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
[3][5]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2018-08-17 16:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> It’s unfortunate Alex when no good deed goes unpunished.
> If needed (ie if efforts to work here keep getting met by
email
> tallies), I will recreate a group - as an openly viewable
group
for
> anyone who needs to workshop something.
> This is now a step backwards in transparency since people
will
go
> back
> to personal discussions. It’s really unfortunate.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:43 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice
Chair)
via
> Lnc-business <[1][4][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> My intention was to try to facilitate working on business
but
that
> seems to have been the result, I apologize for not helping.
I
will
> delete the group, I haven’t done anything yet cause I
wanted
feed
> back and also cause I’m currently at work. This is not
worth
this
> level of frustration, I’m deleting the group.
> I was totally fine with making it open which I was planning
to do
> when I got home from work but all this back and forth I’m
seeing
> is
> not worth it when my intention was the opposite so I’ll be
> deleting
> the group. I figured another outlet could of been great way
to
> facilitate work and reduce frustration, and making it
transparent
> was fine with me of course I just wanted everyone on the
same
> page.
> I’m deleting the group, to the extent people work off the
list I
> ask
> that you keep me informed so I can help and give feedback
but
I’m
> at
> least for the time being taking a step back from trying to
> facilitate as their are many campaigns and efforts I want
to
be
> committing my efforts too.
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
> - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[5][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[8]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
2. mailto:[9]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
3. [10]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
4. mailto:[11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:[12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [15]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:brent.olsen at lp.org
3. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
5. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
8. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
9. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
10. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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