[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Aug 21 13:02:18 EDT 2018
My email was a routine reminder I do for each ballot and have from the
beginning.
Last term Starchild commented that reminders would be helpful and I agreed.
*Everyone* on this list has been very busy doing other things that I am
sure we could all recite.
While I have your attention- please consider donating to Brandon Phinney
this week
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-Caryn Ann
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:18 AM brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Mr. Lyons,
>
> I just wanted to point out that while this resolution initially was
> responded to with "bickering", things have calmed down over the past few
> days on this list. I have not seen as much "bickering" here or on
> social media the past few days. So why restart it by making this kind
> of statement about the issue? There was just a reminder with current
> vote tally listed and deadline to vote noted sent by the Secretary.
> That's pretty common practice. I think most of us who wanted to see
> this resolution pass have accepted that it is not going to pass and have
> moved on. But voting is still open.... And I think most of us on this
> body are working to get Libertarians elected... Yet your response to
> the email makes it seem as though all we are doing is bickering about
> this resolution.... I would ask this body to stay calm and carry on...
> Thanks!
>
> In Liberty,
> K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
> Alternate, Region 4
>
> On 2018-08-21 09:05, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Clarification:
> >
> > I meant sorry for not responding in a more timely manner, or too
> > timely a manner since the ballot had not opened yet, but because of
> > the inherent waste of time that this is. Not sorry to be voting NO.
> > Again. I have been busy the last week trying to get Libertarians
> > elected, by talking to Libertarians, Democrats, Republicans, and
> > Independents, at almost a dozen different events on the campaign trail
> > in the past five days. Some people seem to think this resolution will
> > "help" activists on the ground. I find it ridiculous that a bunch of
> > Libertarians who don't think a central government should be making
> > decisions that effect each of the states unequally, should have its
> > central body pass a resolution that effects each of the states
> > unequally. You're worried about the Republicans calling us soft on
> > the left? I'm just as worried about the Democrats calling us soft on
> > the Right. The answer? Not the LNC's problem. Have your state
> > affiliate make its own resolution if you need it so bad. Win your own
> > facebook arguments. Our ideas are so good, they don't have to be
> > mandatory. Enough with the theatrics. Get to work. This bickering
> > is pointless.
> >
> > -Jeff Lyons
> > Region 8 Alt.
> >
> > On 2018-08-21 11:56, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> Sorry, I called this a waste of time. Yet, here we still are. Still
> >> NO.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2018-08-21 09:09, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> As I said explained before, the alternate vote goes in the primary
> >>> column until the primary votes. That is how I always record them
> >>> so
> >>> Adams vote is in the correct place. The votes in the alternate
> >>> column
> >>> are not counted.
> >>> It is indicated the vote is from an alternate by the underline.
> >>> If you
> >>> look in column one you will that the person who’s vote is being
> >>> counted
> >>> is underlined. (For reference see Lark/Hogarth which is the same
> >>> situation as Bilyeu/Adams).
> >>> Lyons did not vote. If you see a vote for him please provide a
> >>> link.
> >>> If you are referring to this:
> >>> [1]http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2018/014899.html
> >>> You cannot pre-vote. There was no ballot yet.
> >>> Thus everything is in fact recorded correctly as I reported.
> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 6:32 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>> <[2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 2018-08-14 18:07 Jeff Lyons-Region 8 Alternate, voted no.
> >>> That's
> >>> not
> >>> been noted.
> >>> Also, I see a yes vote for "yes" vote for Region &, but Whitney
> >>> Bilyeu
> >>> hasn't voted. I'd think the Adams 'yes' vote would fall into the
> >>> Alternate column, and if Whitney doesn't vote, then be counted.
> >>> But,
> >>> I
> >>> think it should be indicated that the vote is from an Alternate.
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> EVH
> >>> ---
> >>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>> On 2018-08-21 07:40, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > REMINDER - This ballot will expire on August 22, 2018.
> >>> >
> >>> > I have noted the following (please inform me of any
> >>> corrections):
> >>> >
> >>> > Voting AYE: Adams, Harlos, Longstreth, Nekhaila, O’Donell,
> >>> Smith
> >>> >
> >>> > Voting NAY: Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hewitt, Hogarth,
> >>> Mattson,
> >>> > Merced, Phillips, Redpath, Sarwark, Van Horn
> >>> >
> >>> > Express Abstentions: None
> >>> >
> >>> > Not Voting: Hagan
> >>> >
> >>> > For a current tally of 6-10.
> >>> >
> >>> > Notes: Regional Alternate Adams’ aye vote is counted in
> >>> the
> >>> main
> >>> > tally as Regional Representative Bilyeu has not voted.
> >>> Regional
> >>> > Alternate Hogarth’s nay vote is counted in the main tally
> >>> as
> >>> > Regional
> >>> > Representative Lark has not voted. Regional Alternate
> >>> Olsen
> >>> had
> >>> > voted
> >>> > aye but that vote was superseded by Regional Representative
> >>> Hewitt’s
> >>> > vote of nay. Regional Alternate Bowden had voted nay for
> >>> the
> >>> > record
> >>> > though Regional Representative Longstreth’s aye vote is the
> >>> one
> >>> > counted
> >>> > in the tally. Regional Alternates Lee, Lyons, and Anderson
> >>> have not
> >>> > recorded votes.
> >>> >
> >>> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> >>> here:
> >>> > [1][3]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:21 PM, erin.adams--- via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>> > <[2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > As the region 7 Alternate, I vote yes. Whitney may vote
> >>> and
> >>> it may
> >>> > not stand, but I cast a vote of yes
> >>> > On 2018-08-17 11:18, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Well said.
> >>> > John Phillips
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> > Cell [1]217-412-5973
> >>> > ------ Original message------
> >>> > From: Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
> >>> > Date: Fri, Aug 17, 2018 10:32 AM
> >>> > To: [2][3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> >>> > Cc: Whitney Bilyeu;
> >>> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22:
> >>> PROPERTY
> >>> > RIGHTS
> >>> > RESOLUTION
> >>> > Richard says, "You (collective sense) either agree with
> >>> > it or you do not. There is no in between."
> >>> > I disagree...there are times when I agree with the spirit
> >>> of
> >>> a
> >>> > resolution,
> >>> > but not the specific language. There are also times when
> >>> I
> >>> agree
> >>> > with some
> >>> > language of the motion, but not all, and question the
> >>> spirit
> >>> of
> >>> > it.
> >>> > And
> >>> > there are times when I agree with the specific language,
> >>> but
> >>> not
> >>> > the
> >>> > spirit
> >>> > in which it was presented. There are many in-betweens.
> >>> > Each of us has our own reason for voting as we see fit,
> >>> and
> >>> each
> >>> > of
> >>> > us is
> >>> > responsible for explaining ourselves (or not).
> >>> > No one else gets to decide why we vote the way we vote,
> >>> or
> >>> what
> >>> > our
> >>> > intentions were in doing so. I reject the the notion that
> >>> we
> >>> are
> >>> > against
> >>> > something if we aren't for it (and vice versa).
> >>> > As a Libertarian, I struggle daily with folks who think
> >>> that
> >>> if I
> >>> > don't
> >>> > vote their way, then my vote is wasted. Our candidates
> >>> face
> >>> this
> >>> > every
> >>> > election cycle...if you vote for C, you might as well be
> >>> voting
> >>> > for
> >>> > B
> >>> > instead of A. We have a bond election underway right now
> >>> about
> >>> > flood
> >>> > control...the message out there is that if you vote
> >>> against
> >>> the
> >>> > bond, you
> >>> > must want people to continue losing life and limb to
> >>> flood
> >>> waters.
> >>> > Really?
> >>> > This kind of thinking is naive, simple-minded, and
> >>> reckless.
> >>> > Whitney
> >>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Longstreth via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > <[3]
> >>> > [4][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Susan, if you are referring to my comment, that is not
> >>> what I
> >>> > said at
> >>> > all. If someone believes in property rights and
> >>> supports
> >>> the
> >>> > resolution, I'm not sure why they would vote against
> >>> it.
> >>> Simple
> >>> > as
> >>> > that. Waste of time or not, it is a resolution before
> >>> us
> >>> and
> >>> > one
> >>> > that
> >>> > either you support or do not. If you think it is a
> >>> waste
> >>> of
> >>> > time,
> >>> > discourage similar resolutions in the future. This is
> >>> balloted,
> >>> > however, and must be voted on. You (collective sense)
> >>> either
> >>> > agree with
> >>> > it or you do not. There is no in between.
> >>> > Richard
> >>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:30 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > <[1[4]][5][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > Asking questions is not rude. Insisting he
> >>> doesn’t
> >>> is.
> >>> > -Caryn Ann
> >>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:23 AM Susan Hogarth via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > <[1][2[5]][6][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > Please stop this. It is -incredibly- rude
> >>> and
> >>> > destructive.
> >>> > I don’t know what’s worse - the people
> >>> saying
> >>> that
> >>> > the
> >>> > supporters
> >>> > of
> >>> > this resolution are calling for a purge, or
> >>> the
> >>> > people
> >>> > saying
> >>> > that
> >>> > those who oppose it don’t support the
> >>> Party’s
> >>> > principles.
> >>> > A resolution may sound like a
> >>> straightforward
> >>> > declaration of
> >>> > principle,
> >>> > but they are always issued for strategic
> >>> reasons. The
> >>> > fact
> >>> > that
> >>> > some
> >>> > people disagree with your strategy does not
> >>> mean
> >>> they
> >>> > oppose
> >>> > your
> >>> > principles or indeed even goals. It’s very
> >>> > destructive
> >>> > to
> >>> > behave
> >>> > as if
> >>> > they do.
> >>> > Give the reasons for your preferred
> >>> strategy.
> >>> Argue
> >>> > passionately
> >>> > for
> >>> > it. But stop accusing your allies of being
> >>> your
> >>> > enemies.
> >>> > Susan Jane Hogarth
> >>> > Region 5 Alternate
> >>> > [3][1][6]919-906-2106
> >>> > On Aug 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM, <[2]Richard
> >>> Longstreth
> >>> > via
> >>> > Lnc-business>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > But not enough to vote in favor of affirming
> >>> them?
> >>> > I'm
> >>> > confused...
> >>> > Richard
> >>> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 22:58 Sam Goldstein
> >>> via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > <[1][2][4[7]][7][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > I vote No.
> >>> > The LP Platform and Statement of
> >>> Principles
> >>> clearly
> >>> > illustrate
> >>> > our
> >>> > position on Property Rights and I fully
> >>> support
> >>> > them.
> >>> > ---
> >>> > Sam Goldstein
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > [5][8]317-850-0726 Cell
> >>> > On [9]2018-08-15 06:23, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > > BALLOT CORRECTION: Expiration date is
> >>> AUGUST 22,
> >>> > 2018.
> >>> > > My mind has been left in July.
> >>> September
> >>> will
> >>> > really
> >>> > throw it
> >>> > for a
> >>> > > loop.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM,
> >>> Caryn
> >>> Ann
> >>> > Harlos
> >>> > > <[1][2][3][6[10]][8][10]carynannha
> >>> rlos at gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Votes are due to the LNC-Business
> >>> list by
> >>> July
> >>> > 22,
> >>> > 2018 at
> >>> > > 11:59:59pm
> >>> > > Pacific time.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos,
> >>> Richard
> >>> > Longstreth,
> >>> > Steven
> >>> > Nekhaila,
> >>> > > Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Motion: Move to adopt the following
> >>> > resolution:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
> >>> supports
> >>> the
> >>> > free
> >>> > market
> >>> > and
> >>> > > therefore
> >>> > > the right of privatization of
> >>> property as
> >>> an
> >>> > extension of
> >>> > the
> >>> > > individual;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles
> >>> of
> >>> The
> >>> > Libertarian
> >>> > Party
> >>> > > explicitly supports the right to
> >>> private
> >>> > property
> >>> > ownership,
> >>> > > including
> >>> > > the right to do business utilizing
> >>> that
> >>> > property
> >>> > as
> >>> > capital;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
> >>> strongly
> >>> > supports
> >>> > the
> >>> > rights of
> >>> > > individuals to own private property
> >>> including
> >>> > land,
> >>> > structures,
> >>> > > natural
> >>> > > resources and other private space
> >>> through
> >>> > homesteading,
> >>> > purchase,
> >>> > > and
> >>> > > other lawful libertarian means;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, ownership of private
> >>> property,
> >>> > including but
> >>> > not
> >>> > limited to
> >>> > > land and housing, does not require
> >>> continual
> >>> > or
> >>> > personal
> >>> > use to
> >>> > > exist
> >>> > > as justly owned property unless
> >>> otherwise
> >>> > abandoned;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, these have been part of the
> >>> > principles
> >>> > of
> >>> > the
> >>> > Libertarian
> >>> > > Party since its inception;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that
> >>> socialist
> >>> and
> >>> > communist
> >>> > property
> >>> > > ownership schemes, including the
> >>> > collectivization of
> >>> > property,
> >>> > > unlawful
> >>> > > usurpation of property, and incorrect
> >>> > characterizations of
> >>> > private
> >>> > > property, unless otherwise
> >>> voluntarily
> >>> agreed
> >>> > by
> >>> > all
> >>> > parties,
> >>> > are
> >>> > > incompatible with the philosophy of
> >>> the
> >>> > Libertarian
> >>> > Party.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ==============================
> >>> ===============
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Important Bylaws note:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Resolutions require passage by 3/4
> >>> vote
> >>> as
> >>> > follows:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Article 7:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ***
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The National Committee may adopt
> >>> public
> >>> policy
> >>> > resolutions
> >>> > by a
> >>> > ¾
> >>> > > vote
> >>> > > with previous notice or by unanimous
> >>> consent
> >>> > without
> >>> > previous
> >>> > > notice.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ==============================
> >>> ===============
> >>> > >
> >>> > > You can keep track of the Secretary's
> >>> manual
> >>> > tally of
> >>> > votes
> >>> > here:
> >>> > > [2][3][4][7][11][9][11]https://tinyur
> >>> > [12]l.com/lncvoting. Votes are
> >>> > noted
> >>> > with a
> >>> > link to
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > actual ballot cast for verification.
> >>> You
> >>> can
> >>> > find the
> >>> > time
> >>> > that
> >>> > the
> >>> > > manual tally was last updated at the
> >>> bottom of
> >>> > the
> >>> > sheet.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Please notify me of any
> >>> discrepancies.
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > In Liberty,
> >>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian
> >>> National
> >>> > Committee
> >>> > Secretary
> >>> > -
> >>> > > [3][12]Caryn.Ann.[13] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> or[14]
> >>> > Secretary at LP.or
> >>> >
> >>> > g.
> >>> >
> >>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> >>> Committee -
> >>> > [15] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> > > A haiku to the Statement of
> >>> Principles:
> >>> > > We defend your rights
> >>> > > And oppose the use of force
> >>> > > Taxation is theft
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > In Liberty,
> >>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian
> >>> National
> >>> > Committee
> >>> > Secretary
> >>> > -
> >>> > > [4][16]Caryn.Ann.[17] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> or[18]
> >>> > Secretary at LP.or
> >>> >
> >>> > g.
> >>> >
> >>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> >>> Committee -
> >>> > [19] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> > > A haiku to the Statement of
> >>> Principles:
> >>> > > We defend your rights
> >>> > > And oppose the use of force
> >>> > > Taxation is theft
> >>> > >
> >>> > > References
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1. mailto:[4][5][8[20]][10]carynannha
> >>> > [13]rlos at gmail.com
> >>> > > 2.
> >>> [5][6][9][21][11][14]https://tinyurl.c
> >>> > om/lncvoting
> >>> > > 3.
> >>> mailto:[6[22]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > > 4.
> >>> mailto:[7[23]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > --
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT,
> >>> NM,
> >>> OR,
> >>> > HI, UT,
> >>> > WA,
> >>> > WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >
> >>> [8][7][10[24]][12][15]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > [11][25]931.538.9300
> >>> > References
> >>> > 1. mailto:[8][12[26]][13][16]lnc-
> >>> business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 2. mailto:[9][13[27]][14][17]carynann
> >>> harlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 3. [10][14][28][15][18]https://
> >>> tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 4. mailto:[11][15[29]][16][19]carynan
> >>> nharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 5. [12][16][30][17][20]https://
> >>> tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 6. mailto:[13[31]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > 7. mailto:[14[32]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > 8. mailto:[15][17[33]][18][21]richard
> >>> .longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > References
> >>> > 1. tel:[18][34]919-906-2106
> >>> > 2. mailto:[16][19[35]][19][22]lnc-
> >>> business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > --
> >>> > --
> >>> > In Liberty,
> >>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
> >>> Committee
> >>> > Secretary
> >>> > - [17][36]Caryn.Ann.[37] Harlos at LP.org or[38]
> >>> > Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39]
> >>> > LPedia at LP.org
> >>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> > We defend your rights
> >>> > And oppose the use of force
> >>> > Taxation is theft
> >>> > References
> >>> > 1. mailto:[20[40]][20][23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 2. mailto:[21[41]][21][24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 3.
> >>> mailto:[22[42]][22][25]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 4. [23][43][23][26]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 5.
> >>> mailto:[24[44]][24][27]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 6. [25][45][25][28]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 7.
> >>> mailto:[26[46]][26][29]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 8. mailto:[27[47]][27][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 9.
> >>> mailto:[28[48]][28][31]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 10. [29][49][29][32]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 11.
> >>> mailto:[30[50]][30][33]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 12. [31][51][31][34]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 13. mailto:[32[52]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > 14. mailto:[33[53]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > 15.
> >>> mailto:[34[54]][32][35]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 16. mailto:[35[55]][33][36]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 17. mailto:[36[56]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > --
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> >>> HI,
> >>> UT,
> >>> > WA,
> >>> > WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > [37[57]][34][37]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > [58]931.538.9300
> >>> > References
> >>> > 1. mailto[59]:[35][38]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 2. mailto[60]:[36][39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 3. tel:[61](919) 906-2106
> >>> > 4. mailto[62]:[37][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 5. tel:[63](317) 850-0726
> >>> > 6. mailto[64]:[38][41]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 7. [65][39][42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 8. mailto[66]:[40][43]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 9. [67][41][44]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 10. mailto[68]:[42][45]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 11. tel:[69](931) 538-9300
> >>> > 12. mailto[70]:[43][46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 13. mailto[71]:[44][47]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 14. [72][45][48]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 15. mailto[73]:[46][49]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 16. [74][47][50]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 17. mailto[75]:[48][51]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 18. tel:[76](919) 906-2106
> >>> > 19. mailto[77]:[49][52]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 20. mailto[78]:[50][53]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 21. mailto[79]:[51][54]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 22. mailto[80]:[52][55]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 23. [81][53][56]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 24. mailto[82]:[54][57]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 25. [83][55][58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 26. mailto[84]:[56][59]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 27. mailto[85]:[57][60]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 28. mailto[86]:[58][61]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 29. [87][59][62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 30. mailto[88]:[60][63]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> >>> > 31. [89][61][64]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>> > 32. mailto[90]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > 33. mailto[91]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > 34. mailto[92]:[62][65]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 35. mailto[93]:[63][66]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 36. mailto[94]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> > 37. mailto[95]:[64][67]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > *Whitney Bilyeu*
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > Region 7 Representative
> >>> > [96]281.433.4966
> >>> > Richard says, "You (collective sense) either agree
> >>> with
> >>> > it or you do not. There is no in between."
> >>> > I disagree...there are times when I agree with the
> >>> spirit
> >>> of a
> >>> > resolution, but not the specific language. There are
> >>> also
> >>> times
> >>> > when I
> >>> > agree with some language of the motion, but not all,
> >>> and
> >>> > question
> >>> > the
> >>> > spirit of it. And there are times when I agree with
> >>> the
> >>> > specific
> >>> > language, but not the spirit in which it was
> >>> presented.
> >>> There
> >>> > are
> >>> > many
> >>> > in-betweens.
> >>> > Each of us has our own reason for voting as we see
> >>> fit,
> >>> and
> >>> > each
> >>> > of us
> >>> > is responsible for explaining ourselves (or not).
> >>> > No one else gets to decide why we vote the way we
> >>> vote, or
> >>> what
> >>> > our
> >>> > intentions were in doing so. I reject the the notion
> >>> that
> >>> we
> >>> > are
> >>> > against something if we aren't for it (and vice
> >>> versa).
> >>> > As a Libertarian, I struggle daily with folks who
> >>> think
> >>> that if
> >>> > I
> >>> > don't
> >>> > vote their way, then my vote is wasted. Our candidates
> >>> face
> >>> > this
> >>> > every
> >>> > election cycle...if you vote for C, you might as well
> >>> be
> >>> voting
> >>> > for B
> >>> > instead of A. We have a bond election underway right
> >>> now
> >>> about
> >>> > flood
> >>> > control...the message out there is that if you vote
> >>> against the
> >>> > bond,
> >>> > you must want people to continue losing life and limb
> >>> to
> >>> flood
> >>> > waters.
> >>> > Really? This kind of thinking is naive, simple-minded,
> >>> and
> >>> > reckless.
> >>> > Whitney
> >>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Longstreth
> >>> via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > <[1[97]][65][68]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > Susan, if you are referring to my comment, that
> >>> is
> >>> not
> >>> > what
> >>> > I
> >>> > said at
> >>> > all. If someone believes in property rights and
> >>> supports
> >>> > the
> >>> > resolution, I'm not sure why they would vote
> >>> against
> >>> it.
> >>> > Simple
> >>> > as
> >>> > that. Waste of time or not, it is a resolution
> >>> before
> >>> us
> >>> > and
> >>> > one
> >>> > that
> >>> > either you support or do not. If you think it is
> >>> a
> >>> waste
> >>> > of
> >>> > time,
> >>> > discourage similar resolutions in the future.
> >>> This is
> >>> > balloted,
> >>> > however, and must be voted on. You (collective
> >>> sense)
> >>> > either
> >>> > agree with
> >>> > it or you do not. There is no in between.
> >>> > Richard
> >>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:30 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > <[1][2[98]][66][69]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > Asking questions is not rude. Insisting he
> >>> doesn’t
> >>> > is.
> >>> > -Caryn Ann
> >>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:23 AM Susan
> >>> Hogarth
> >>> via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > <[1][2][3[99]][67][70]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Please stop this. It is -incredibly- rude
> >>> and
> >>> > destructive.
> >>> > I don’t know what’s worse - the people
> >>> saying
> >>> that
> >>> > the
> >>> > supporters
> >>> > of
> >>> > this resolution are calling for a purge,
> >>> or
> >>> the
> >>> > people
> >>> > saying
> >>> > that
> >>> > those who oppose it don’t support the
> >>> Party’s
> >>> > principles.
> >>> > A resolution may sound like a
> >>> straightforward
> >>> > declaration
> >>> > of
> >>> > principle,
> >>> > but they are always issued for strategic
> >>> reasons.
> >>> > The fact
> >>> > that
> >>> > some
> >>> > people disagree with your strategy does
> >>> not
> >>> mean
> >>> > they
> >>> > oppose
> >>> > your
> >>> > principles or indeed even goals. It’s
> >>> very
> >>> > destructive to
> >>> > behave
> >>> > as if
> >>> > they do.
> >>> > Give the reasons for your preferred
> >>> strategy.
> >>> > Argue
> >>> > passionately
> >>> > for
> >>> > it. But stop accusing your allies of
> >>> being
> >>> your
> >>> > enemies.
> >>> > Susan Jane Hogarth
> >>> > Region 5 Alternate
> >>> > [3][1][100]919-906-2106
> >>> > On Aug 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM, <[2]Richard
> >>> > Longstreth
> >>> > via
> >>> > Lnc-business>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > But not enough to vote in favor of
> >>> affirming
> >>> > them?
> >>> > I'm
> >>> > confused...
> >>> > Richard
> >>> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 22:58 Sam
> >>> Goldstein
> >>> via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > <[1][2][4][4[101]][68][71]lnc-
> >>> business at hq.lp.org>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > I vote No.
> >>> > The LP Platform and Statement of
> >>> Principles
> >>> > clearly
> >>> > illustrate
> >>> > our
> >>> > position on Property Rights and I
> >>> fully
> >>> > support
> >>> > them.
> >>> > ---
> >>> > Sam Goldstein
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > [5][102]317-850-0726 Cell
> >>> > On [103]2018-08-15 06:23, Caryn Ann
> >>> Harlos via
> >>> > Lnc-business
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > > BALLOT CORRECTION: Expiration date
> >>> is
> >>> > AUGUST
> >>> > 22,
> >>> > 2018.
> >>> > > My mind has been left in July.
> >>> September
> >>> > will
> >>> > really
> >>> > throw it
> >>> > for a
> >>> > > loop.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM,
> >>> Caryn
> >>> > Ann
> >>> > Harlos
> >>> > > <[1][2][3][6][5[104]][69]carynannh
> >>> > [72]arlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Votes are due to the LNC-Business
> >>> list
> >>> by
> >>> > July 22,
> >>> > 2018 at
> >>> > > 11:59:59pm
> >>> > > Pacific time.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos,
> >>> Richard
> >>> > Longstreth,
> >>> > Steven
> >>> > Nekhaila,
> >>> > > Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Motion: Move to adopt the
> >>> following
> >>> > resolution:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
> >>> supports the
> >>> > free
> >>> > market
> >>> > and
> >>> > > therefore
> >>> > > the right of privatization of
> >>> property
> >>> as
> >>> > an
> >>> > extension of
> >>> > the
> >>> > > individual;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, the Statement of
> >>> Principles
> >>> of The
> >>> > Libertarian
> >>> > Party
> >>> > > explicitly supports the right to
> >>> private
> >>> > property
> >>> > ownership,
> >>> > > including
> >>> > > the right to do business utilizing
> >>> that
> >>> > property as
> >>> > capital;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
> >>> strongly
> >>> > supports
> >>> > the
> >>> > rights of
> >>> > > individuals to own private
> >>> property
> >>> > including
> >>> > land,
> >>> > structures,
> >>> > > natural
> >>> > > resources and other private space
> >>> through
> >>> > homesteading,
> >>> > purchase,
> >>> > > and
> >>> > > other lawful libertarian means;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, ownership of private
> >>> property,
> >>> > including
> >>> > but
> >>> > not
> >>> > limited to
> >>> > > land and housing, does not require
> >>> > continual
> >>> > or
> >>> > personal
> >>> > use to
> >>> > > exist
> >>> > > as justly owned property unless
> >>> otherwise
> >>> > abandoned;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > WHEREAS, these have been part of
> >>> the
> >>> > principles of
> >>> > the
> >>> > Libertarian
> >>> > > Party since its inception;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that
> >>> socialist
> >>> > and
> >>> > communist
> >>> > property
> >>> > > ownership schemes, including the
> >>> > collectivization
> >>> > of
> >>> > property,
> >>> > > unlawful
> >>> > > usurpation of property, and
> >>> incorrect
> >>> > characterizations of
> >>> > private
> >>> > > property, unless otherwise
> >>> voluntarily
> >>> > agreed
> >>> > by
> >>> > all
> >>> > parties,
> >>> > are
> >>> > > incompatible with the philosophy
> >>> of
> >>> the
> >>> > Libertarian
> >>> > Party.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > =============================================
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Important Bylaws note:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Resolutions require passage by 3/4
> >>> vote as
> >>> > follows:
> >>> >
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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My email was a routine reminder I do for each ballot and have from the
beginning.
Last term Starchild commented that reminders would be helpful and I
agreed.
*Everyone* on this list has been very busy doing other things that I am
sure we could all recite.
While I have your attention- please consider donating to Brandon
Phinney this week
PhinneyNH.com
-Caryn Ann
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:18 AM brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Lyons,
I just wanted to point out that while this resolution initially was
responded to with "bickering", things have calmed down over the past
few
days on this list. I have not seen as much "bickering" here or on
social media the past few days. So why restart it by making this
kind
of statement about the issue? There was just a reminder with
current
vote tally listed and deadline to vote noted sent by the Secretary.
That's pretty common practice. I think most of us who wanted to see
this resolution pass have accepted that it is not going to pass and
have
moved on. But voting is still open.... And I think most of us on
this
body are working to get Libertarians elected... Yet your response
to
the email makes it seem as though all we are doing is bickering
about
this resolution.... I would ask this body to stay calm and carry
on...
Thanks!
In Liberty,
K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
Alternate, Region 4
On 2018-08-21 09:05, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business wrote:
> Clarification:
>
> I meant sorry for not responding in a more timely manner, or too
> timely a manner since the ballot had not opened yet, but because
of
> the inherent waste of time that this is. Not sorry to be voting
NO.
> Again. I have been busy the last week trying to get Libertarians
> elected, by talking to Libertarians, Democrats, Republicans, and
> Independents, at almost a dozen different events on the campaign
trail
> in the past five days. Some people seem to think this resolution
will
> "help" activists on the ground. I find it ridiculous that a bunch
of
> Libertarians who don't think a central government should be making
> decisions that effect each of the states unequally, should have
its
> central body pass a resolution that effects each of the states
> unequally. You're worried about the Republicans calling us soft
on
> the left? I'm just as worried about the Democrats calling us soft
on
> the Right. The answer? Not the LNC's problem. Have your state
> affiliate make its own resolution if you need it so bad. Win your
own
> facebook arguments. Our ideas are so good, they don't have to be
> mandatory. Enough with the theatrics. Get to work. This
bickering
> is pointless.
>
> -Jeff Lyons
> Region 8 Alt.
>
> On 2018-08-21 11:56, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Sorry, I called this a waste of time. Yet, here we still are.
Still
>> NO.
>>
>>
>> On 2018-08-21 09:09, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> As I said explained before, the alternate vote goes in the
primary
>>> column until the primary votes. That is how I always record
them
>>> so
>>> Adams vote is in the correct place. The votes in the
alternate
>>> column
>>> are not counted.
>>> It is indicated the vote is from an alternate by the
underline.
>>> If you
>>> look in column one you will that the person who’s vote is
being
>>> counted
>>> is underlined. (For reference see Lark/Hogarth which is the
same
>>> situation as Bilyeu/Adams).
>>> Lyons did not vote. If you see a vote for him please provide
a
>>> link.
>>> If you are referring to this:
>>>
[1][2]http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2018/014899.html
>>> You cannot pre-vote. There was no ballot yet.
>>> Thus everything is in fact recorded correctly as I reported.
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 6:32 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> <[2][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2018-08-14 18:07 Jeff Lyons-Region 8 Alternate, voted
no.
>>> That's
>>> not
>>> been noted.
>>> Also, I see a yes vote for "yes" vote for Region &, but
Whitney
>>> Bilyeu
>>> hasn't voted. I'd think the Adams 'yes' vote would fall
into the
>>> Alternate column, and if Whitney doesn't vote, then be
counted.
>>> But,
>>> I
>>> think it should be indicated that the vote is from an
Alternate.
>>> Cheers,
>>> EVH
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> On 2018-08-21 07:40, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
>>> > REMINDER - This ballot will expire on August 22, 2018.
>>> >
>>> > I have noted the following (please inform me of any
>>> corrections):
>>> >
>>> > Voting AYE: Adams, Harlos, Longstreth, Nekhaila,
O’Donell,
>>> Smith
>>> >
>>> > Voting NAY: Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hewitt,
Hogarth,
>>> Mattson,
>>> > Merced, Phillips, Redpath, Sarwark, Van Horn
>>> >
>>> > Express Abstentions: None
>>> >
>>> > Not Voting: Hagan
>>> >
>>> > For a current tally of 6-10.
>>> >
>>> > Notes: Regional Alternate Adams’ aye vote is counted
in
>>> the
>>> main
>>> > tally as Regional Representative Bilyeu has not voted.
>>> Regional
>>> > Alternate Hogarth’s nay vote is counted in the main
tally
>>> as
>>> > Regional
>>> > Representative Lark has not voted. Regional Alternate
>>> Olsen
>>> had
>>> > voted
>>> > aye but that vote was superseded by Regional
Representative
>>> Hewitt’s
>>> > vote of nay. Regional Alternate Bowden had voted nay
for
>>> the
>>> > record
>>> > though Regional Representative Longstreth’s aye vote
is the
>>> one
>>> > counted
>>> > in the tally. Regional Alternates Lee, Lyons, and
Anderson
>>> have not
>>> > recorded votes.
>>> >
>>> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
votes
>>> here:
>>> > [1][3][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:21 PM, erin.adams--- via
>>> Lnc-business
>>> > <[2][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > As the region 7 Alternate, I vote yes. Whitney may
vote
>>> and
>>> it may
>>> > not stand, but I cast a vote of yes
>>> > On 2018-08-17 11:18, john.phillips--- via
Lnc-business
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Well said.
>>> > John Phillips
>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6
Representative
>>> > Cell [1]217-412-5973
>>> > ------ Original message------
>>> > From: Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
>>> > Date: Fri, Aug 17, 2018 10:32 AM
>>> > To: [2][3][5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>> > Cc: Whitney Bilyeu;
>>> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22:
>>> PROPERTY
>>> > RIGHTS
>>> > RESOLUTION
>>> > Richard says, "You (collective sense) either agree
with
>>> > it or you do not. There is no in between."
>>> > I disagree...there are times when I agree with the
spirit
>>> of
>>> a
>>> > resolution,
>>> > but not the specific language. There are also times
when
>>> I
>>> agree
>>> > with some
>>> > language of the motion, but not all, and question
the
>>> spirit
>>> of
>>> > it.
>>> > And
>>> > there are times when I agree with the specific
language,
>>> but
>>> not
>>> > the
>>> > spirit
>>> > in which it was presented. There are many
in-betweens.
>>> > Each of us has our own reason for voting as we see
fit,
>>> and
>>> each
>>> > of
>>> > us is
>>> > responsible for explaining ourselves (or not).
>>> > No one else gets to decide why we vote the way we
vote,
>>> or
>>> what
>>> > our
>>> > intentions were in doing so. I reject the the notion
that
>>> we
>>> are
>>> > against
>>> > something if we aren't for it (and vice versa).
>>> > As a Libertarian, I struggle daily with folks who
think
>>> that
>>> if I
>>> > don't
>>> > vote their way, then my vote is wasted. Our
candidates
>>> face
>>> this
>>> > every
>>> > election cycle...if you vote for C, you might as
well be
>>> voting
>>> > for
>>> > B
>>> > instead of A. We have a bond election underway right
now
>>> about
>>> > flood
>>> > control...the message out there is that if you vote
>>> against
>>> the
>>> > bond, you
>>> > must want people to continue losing life and limb to
>>> flood
>>> waters.
>>> > Really?
>>> > This kind of thinking is naive, simple-minded, and
>>> reckless.
>>> > Whitney
>>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard Longstreth
via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> > <[3]
>>> > [4][6][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Susan, if you are referring to my comment, that
is not
>>> what I
>>> > said at
>>> > all. If someone believes in property rights and
>>> supports
>>> the
>>> > resolution, I'm not sure why they would vote
against
>>> it.
>>> Simple
>>> > as
>>> > that. Waste of time or not, it is a resolution
before
>>> us
>>> and
>>> > one
>>> > that
>>> > either you support or do not. If you think it is
a
>>> waste
>>> of
>>> > time,
>>> > discourage similar resolutions in the future.
This is
>>> balloted,
>>> > however, and must be voted on. You (collective
sense)
>>> either
>>> > agree with
>>> > it or you do not. There is no in between.
>>> > Richard
>>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:30 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> > <[1[4]][5][7][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > Asking questions is not rude. Insisting he
>>> doesn’t
>>> is.
>>> > -Caryn Ann
>>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:23 AM Susan
Hogarth via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> > <[1][2[5]][6][8][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
wrote:
>>> > Please stop this. It is -incredibly-
rude
>>> and
>>> > destructive.
>>> > I don’t know what’s worse - the people
>>> saying
>>> that
>>> > the
>>> > supporters
>>> > of
>>> > this resolution are calling for a
purge, or
>>> the
>>> > people
>>> > saying
>>> > that
>>> > those who oppose it don’t support the
>>> Party’s
>>> > principles.
>>> > A resolution may sound like a
>>> straightforward
>>> > declaration of
>>> > principle,
>>> > but they are always issued for
strategic
>>> reasons. The
>>> > fact
>>> > that
>>> > some
>>> > people disagree with your strategy does
not
>>> mean
>>> they
>>> > oppose
>>> > your
>>> > principles or indeed even goals. It’s
very
>>> > destructive
>>> > to
>>> > behave
>>> > as if
>>> > they do.
>>> > Give the reasons for your preferred
>>> strategy.
>>> Argue
>>> > passionately
>>> > for
>>> > it. But stop accusing your allies of
being
>>> your
>>> > enemies.
>>> > Susan Jane Hogarth
>>> > Region 5 Alternate
>>> > [3][1][6]919-906-2106
>>> > On Aug 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM, <[2]Richard
>>> Longstreth
>>> > via
>>> > Lnc-business>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > But not enough to vote in favor of
affirming
>>> them?
>>> > I'm
>>> > confused...
>>> > Richard
>>> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 22:58 Sam
Goldstein
>>> via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> >
<[1][2][4[7]][7][9][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I vote No.
>>> > The LP Platform and Statement of
>>> Principles
>>> clearly
>>> > illustrate
>>> > our
>>> > position on Property Rights and I
fully
>>> support
>>> > them.
>>> > ---
>>> > Sam Goldstein
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > [5][8]317-850-0726 Cell
>>> > On [9]2018-08-15 06:23, Caryn Ann
Harlos
>>> via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > BALLOT CORRECTION: Expiration date
is
>>> AUGUST 22,
>>> > 2018.
>>> > > My mind has been left in July.
>>> September
>>> will
>>> > really
>>> > throw it
>>> > for a
>>> > > loop.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM,
>>> Caryn
>>> Ann
>>> > Harlos
>>> > >
<[1][2][3][6[10]][8][10]carynannha
>>> [11]rlos at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > We have an electronic mail
ballot.
>>> > >
>>> > > Votes are due to the
LNC-Business
>>> list by
>>> July
>>> > 22,
>>> > 2018 at
>>> > > 11:59:59pm
>>> > > Pacific time.
>>> > >
>>> > > Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos,
>>> Richard
>>> > Longstreth,
>>> > Steven
>>> > Nekhaila,
>>> > > Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>>> > >
>>> > > Motion: Move to adopt the
following
>>> > resolution:
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
>>> supports
>>> the
>>> > free
>>> > market
>>> > and
>>> > > therefore
>>> > > the right of privatization of
>>> property as
>>> an
>>> > extension of
>>> > the
>>> > > individual;
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, the Statement of
Principles
>>> of
>>> The
>>> > Libertarian
>>> > Party
>>> > > explicitly supports the right to
>>> private
>>> > property
>>> > ownership,
>>> > > including
>>> > > the right to do business
utilizing
>>> that
>>> > property
>>> > as
>>> > capital;
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
>>> strongly
>>> > supports
>>> > the
>>> > rights of
>>> > > individuals to own private
property
>>> including
>>> > land,
>>> > structures,
>>> > > natural
>>> > > resources and other private
space
>>> through
>>> > homesteading,
>>> > purchase,
>>> > > and
>>> > > other lawful libertarian means;
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, ownership of private
>>> property,
>>> > including but
>>> > not
>>> > limited to
>>> > > land and housing, does not
require
>>> continual
>>> > or
>>> > personal
>>> > use to
>>> > > exist
>>> > > as justly owned property unless
>>> otherwise
>>> > abandoned;
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, these have been part of
the
>>> > principles
>>> > of
>>> > the
>>> > Libertarian
>>> > > Party since its inception;
>>> > >
>>> > > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that
>>> socialist
>>> and
>>> > communist
>>> > property
>>> > > ownership schemes, including the
>>> > collectivization of
>>> > property,
>>> > > unlawful
>>> > > usurpation of property, and
incorrect
>>> > characterizations of
>>> > private
>>> > > property, unless otherwise
>>> voluntarily
>>> agreed
>>> > by
>>> > all
>>> > parties,
>>> > are
>>> > > incompatible with the philosophy
of
>>> the
>>> > Libertarian
>>> > Party.
>>> > >
>>> > > ==============================
>>> ===============
>>> > >
>>> > > Important Bylaws note:
>>> > >
>>> > > Resolutions require passage by
3/4
>>> vote
>>> as
>>> > follows:
>>> > >
>>> > > Article 7:
>>> > >
>>> > > ***
>>> > >
>>> > > The National Committee may adopt
>>> public
>>> policy
>>> > resolutions
>>> > by a
>>> > ¾
>>> > > vote
>>> > > with previous notice or by
unanimous
>>> consent
>>> > without
>>> > previous
>>> > > notice.
>>> > >
>>> > > ==============================
>>> ===============
>>> > >
>>> > > You can keep track of the
Secretary's
>>> manual
>>> > tally of
>>> > votes
>>> > here:
>>> > >
[2][3][4][7][11][9][11][12]https://tinyur
>>> > [12][13]l.com/lncvoting. Votes are
>>> > noted
>>> > with a
>>> > link to
>>> > > the
>>> > > actual ballot cast for
verification.
>>> You
>>> can
>>> > find the
>>> > time
>>> > that
>>> > the
>>> > > manual tally was last updated at
the
>>> bottom of
>>> > the
>>> > sheet.
>>> > >
>>> > > Please notify me of any
>>> discrepancies.
>>> > > --
>>> > > In Liberty,
>>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > > Libertarian Party and
Libertarian
>>> National
>>> > Committee
>>> > Secretary
>>> > -
>>> > > [3][12]Caryn.Ann.[13]
Harlos at LP.org
>>> or[14]
>>> > Secretary at LP.or
>>> >
>>> > g.
>>> >
>>> > > Chair, LP Historical
Preservation
>>> Committee -
>>> > [15] LPedia at LP.org
>>> > > A haiku to the Statement of
>>> Principles:
>>> > > We defend your rights
>>> > > And oppose the use of force
>>> > > Taxation is theft
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > In Liberty,
>>> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > > Libertarian Party and
Libertarian
>>> National
>>> > Committee
>>> > Secretary
>>> > -
>>> > > [4][16]Caryn.Ann.[17]
Harlos at LP.org
>>> or[18]
>>> > Secretary at LP.or
>>> >
>>> > g.
>>> >
>>> > > Chair, LP Historical
Preservation
>>> Committee -
>>> > [19] LPedia at LP.org
>>> > > A haiku to the Statement of
>>> Principles:
>>> > > We defend your rights
>>> > > And oppose the use of force
>>> > > Taxation is theft
>>> > >
>>> > > References
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.
mailto:[4][5][8[20]][10]carynannha
>>> > [13][14]rlos at gmail.com
>>> > > 2.
>>> [5][6][9][21][11][14][15]https://tinyurl.c
>>> > om/lncvoting
>>> > > 3.
>>> mailto:[6[22]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > > 4.
>>> mailto:[7[23]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > --
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO,
KS, MT,
>>> NM,
>>> OR,
>>> > HI, UT,
>>> > WA,
>>> > WY)
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> >
>>> [8][7][10[24]][12][15][16]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > [11][25]931.538.9300
>>> > References
>>> > 1. mailto:[8][12[26]][13][16]lnc-
>>> [17]business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 2. mailto:[9][13[27]][14][17]carynann
>>> [18]harlos at gmail.com
>>> > 3. [10][14][28][15][18]https://
>>> [19]tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 4. mailto:[11][15[29]][16][19]carynan
>>> [20]nharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 5. [12][16][30][17][20]https://
>>> [21]tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 6.
mailto:[13[31]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 7.
mailto:[14[32]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 8. mailto:[15][17[33]][18][21]richard
>>> .[22]longstreth at lp.org
>>> > References
>>> > 1. tel:[18][34]919-906-2106
>>> > 2. mailto:[16][19[35]][19][22]lnc-
>>> [23]business at hq.lp.org
>>> > --
>>> > --
>>> > In Liberty,
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>>> Committee
>>> > Secretary
>>> > - [17][36]Caryn.Ann.[37] Harlos at LP.org
or[38]
>>> > Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
-[39]
>>> > LPedia at LP.org
>>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> > We defend your rights
>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>> > Taxation is theft
>>> > References
>>> > 1.
mailto:[20[40]][20][23][24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 2.
mailto:[21[41]][21][24][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 3.
>>> mailto:[22[42]][22][25][26]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 4.
[23][43][23][26][27]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 5.
>>> mailto:[24[44]][24][27][28]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 6.
[25][45][25][28][29]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 7.
>>> mailto:[26[46]][26][29][30]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 8.
mailto:[27[47]][27][30][31]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 9.
>>> mailto:[28[48]][28][31][32]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 10.
[29][49][29][32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 11.
>>> mailto:[30[50]][30][33][34]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 12.
[31][51][31][34][35]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 13. mailto:[32[52]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 14. mailto:[33[53]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 15.
>>> mailto:[34[54]][32][35][36]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 16.
mailto:[35[55]][33][36][37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 17. mailto:[36[56]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > --
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM,
OR,
>>> HI,
>>> UT,
>>> > WA,
>>> > WY)
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > [37[57]][34][37][38]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > [58]931.538.9300
>>> > References
>>> > 1. mailto[59]:[35][38][39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 2. mailto[60]:[36][39][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 3. tel:[61](919) 906-2106
>>> > 4. mailto[62]:[37][40][41]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 5. tel:[63](317) 850-0726
>>> > 6.
mailto[64]:[38][41][42]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 7. [65][39][42][43]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 8.
mailto[66]:[40][43][44]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 9. [67][41][44][45]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 10.
mailto[68]:[42][45][46]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 11. tel:[69](931) 538-9300
>>> > 12. mailto[70]:[43][46][47]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 13.
mailto[71]:[44][47][48]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 14. [72][45][48][49]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 15.
mailto[73]:[46][49][50]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 16. [74][47][50][51]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 17.
mailto[75]:[48][51][52]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 18. tel:[76](919) 906-2106
>>> > 19. mailto[77]:[49][52][53]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 20. mailto[78]:[50][53][54]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 21. mailto[79]:[51][54][55]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 22.
mailto[80]:[52][55][56]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 23. [81][53][56][57]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 24.
mailto[82]:[54][57][58]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 25. [83][55][58][59]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 26.
mailto[84]:[56][59][60]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 27. mailto[85]:[57][60][61]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 28.
mailto[86]:[58][61][62]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 29. [87][59][62][63]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 30.
mailto[88]:[60][63][64]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> > 31. [89][61][64][65]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>> > 32. mailto[90]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 33. mailto[91]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 34.
mailto[92]:[62][65][66]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 35. mailto[93]:[63][66][67]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 36. mailto[94]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 37.
mailto[95]:[64][67][68]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > *Whitney Bilyeu*
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > Region 7 Representative
>>> > [96]281.433.4966
>>> > Richard says, "You (collective sense) either
agree
>>> with
>>> > it or you do not. There is no in between."
>>> > I disagree...there are times when I agree with
the
>>> spirit
>>> of a
>>> > resolution, but not the specific language. There
are
>>> also
>>> times
>>> > when I
>>> > agree with some language of the motion, but not
all,
>>> and
>>> > question
>>> > the
>>> > spirit of it. And there are times when I agree
with
>>> the
>>> > specific
>>> > language, but not the spirit in which it was
>>> presented.
>>> There
>>> > are
>>> > many
>>> > in-betweens.
>>> > Each of us has our own reason for voting as we
see
>>> fit,
>>> and
>>> > each
>>> > of us
>>> > is responsible for explaining ourselves (or not).
>>> > No one else gets to decide why we vote the way we
>>> vote, or
>>> what
>>> > our
>>> > intentions were in doing so. I reject the the
notion
>>> that
>>> we
>>> > are
>>> > against something if we aren't for it (and vice
>>> versa).
>>> > As a Libertarian, I struggle daily with folks who
>>> think
>>> that if
>>> > I
>>> > don't
>>> > vote their way, then my vote is wasted. Our
candidates
>>> face
>>> > this
>>> > every
>>> > election cycle...if you vote for C, you might as
well
>>> be
>>> voting
>>> > for B
>>> > instead of A. We have a bond election underway
right
>>> now
>>> about
>>> > flood
>>> > control...the message out there is that if you
vote
>>> against the
>>> > bond,
>>> > you must want people to continue losing life and
limb
>>> to
>>> flood
>>> > waters.
>>> > Really? This kind of thinking is naive,
simple-minded,
>>> and
>>> > reckless.
>>> > Whitney
>>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Richard
Longstreth
>>> via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> > <[1[97]][65][68][69]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
wrote:
>>> > Susan, if you are referring to my comment,
that
>>> is
>>> not
>>> > what
>>> > I
>>> > said at
>>> > all. If someone believes in property rights
and
>>> supports
>>> > the
>>> > resolution, I'm not sure why they would vote
>>> against
>>> it.
>>> > Simple
>>> > as
>>> > that. Waste of time or not, it is a
resolution
>>> before
>>> us
>>> > and
>>> > one
>>> > that
>>> > either you support or do not. If you think
it is
>>> a
>>> waste
>>> > of
>>> > time,
>>> > discourage similar resolutions in the
future.
>>> This is
>>> > balloted,
>>> > however, and must be voted on. You
(collective
>>> sense)
>>> > either
>>> > agree with
>>> > it or you do not. There is no in between.
>>> > Richard
>>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:30 AM Caryn Ann
Harlos
>>> via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> >
<[1][2[98]][66][69][70]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > Asking questions is not rude.
Insisting he
>>> doesn’t
>>> > is.
>>> > -Caryn Ann
>>> > On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:23 AM Susan
>>> Hogarth
>>> via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> >
<[1][2][3[99]][67][70][71]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Please stop this. It is -incredibly-
rude
>>> and
>>> > destructive.
>>> > I don’t know what’s worse - the
people
>>> saying
>>> that
>>> > the
>>> > supporters
>>> > of
>>> > this resolution are calling for a
purge,
>>> or
>>> the
>>> > people
>>> > saying
>>> > that
>>> > those who oppose it don’t support
the
>>> Party’s
>>> > principles.
>>> > A resolution may sound like a
>>> straightforward
>>> > declaration
>>> > of
>>> > principle,
>>> > but they are always issued for
strategic
>>> reasons.
>>> > The fact
>>> > that
>>> > some
>>> > people disagree with your strategy
does
>>> not
>>> mean
>>> > they
>>> > oppose
>>> > your
>>> > principles or indeed even goals.
It’s
>>> very
>>> > destructive to
>>> > behave
>>> > as if
>>> > they do.
>>> > Give the reasons for your preferred
>>> strategy.
>>> > Argue
>>> > passionately
>>> > for
>>> > it. But stop accusing your allies of
>>> being
>>> your
>>> > enemies.
>>> > Susan Jane Hogarth
>>> > Region 5 Alternate
>>> > [3][1][100]919-906-2106
>>> > On Aug 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM,
<[2]Richard
>>> > Longstreth
>>> > via
>>> > Lnc-business>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > But not enough to vote in favor of
>>> affirming
>>> > them?
>>> > I'm
>>> > confused...
>>> > Richard
>>> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 22:58 Sam
>>> Goldstein
>>> via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> > <[1][2][4][4[101]][68][71]lnc-
>>> [72]business at hq.lp.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > I vote No.
>>> > The LP Platform and Statement of
>>> Principles
>>> > clearly
>>> > illustrate
>>> > our
>>> > position on Property Rights and
I
>>> fully
>>> > support
>>> > them.
>>> > ---
>>> > Sam Goldstein
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > [5][102]317-850-0726 Cell
>>> > On [103]2018-08-15 06:23, Caryn
Ann
>>> Harlos via
>>> > Lnc-business
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > BALLOT CORRECTION: Expiration
date
>>> is
>>> > AUGUST
>>> > 22,
>>> > 2018.
>>> > > My mind has been left in
July.
>>> September
>>> > will
>>> > really
>>> > throw it
>>> > for a
>>> > > loop.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at
3:56 AM,
>>> Caryn
>>> > Ann
>>> > Harlos
>>> > >
<[1][2][3][6][5[104]][69]carynannh
>>> > [72][73]arlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > We have an electronic mail
ballot.
>>> > >
>>> > > Votes are due to the
LNC-Business
>>> list
>>> by
>>> > July 22,
>>> > 2018 at
>>> > > 11:59:59pm
>>> > > Pacific time.
>>> > >
>>> > > Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann
Harlos,
>>> Richard
>>> > Longstreth,
>>> > Steven
>>> > Nekhaila,
>>> > > Justin O’Donnell, Joshua
Smith
>>> > >
>>> > > Motion: Move to adopt the
>>> following
>>> > resolution:
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian
Party
>>> supports the
>>> > free
>>> > market
>>> > and
>>> > > therefore
>>> > > the right of privatization of
>>> property
>>> as
>>> > an
>>> > extension of
>>> > the
>>> > > individual;
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, the Statement of
>>> Principles
>>> of The
>>> > Libertarian
>>> > Party
>>> > > explicitly supports the right
to
>>> private
>>> > property
>>> > ownership,
>>> > > including
>>> > > the right to do business
utilizing
>>> that
>>> > property as
>>> > capital;
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian
Party
>>> strongly
>>> > supports
>>> > the
>>> > rights of
>>> > > individuals to own private
>>> property
>>> > including
>>> > land,
>>> > structures,
>>> > > natural
>>> > > resources and other private
space
>>> through
>>> > homesteading,
>>> > purchase,
>>> > > and
>>> > > other lawful libertarian
means;
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, ownership of private
>>> property,
>>> > including
>>> > but
>>> > not
>>> > limited to
>>> > > land and housing, does not
require
>>> > continual
>>> > or
>>> > personal
>>> > use to
>>> > > exist
>>> > > as justly owned property
unless
>>> otherwise
>>> > abandoned;
>>> > >
>>> > > WHEREAS, these have been part
of
>>> the
>>> > principles of
>>> > the
>>> > Libertarian
>>> > > Party since its inception;
>>> > >
>>> > > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED,
that
>>> socialist
>>> > and
>>> > communist
>>> > property
>>> > > ownership schemes, including
the
>>> > collectivization
>>> > of
>>> > property,
>>> > > unlawful
>>> > > usurpation of property, and
>>> incorrect
>>> > characterizations of
>>> > private
>>> > > property, unless otherwise
>>> voluntarily
>>> > agreed
>>> > by
>>> > all
>>> > parties,
>>> > are
>>> > > incompatible with the
philosophy
>>> of
>>> the
>>> > Libertarian
>>> > Party.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > =============================================
>>> > >
>>> > > Important Bylaws note:
>>> > >
>>> > > Resolutions require passage
by 3/4
>>> vote as
>>> > follows:
>>> >
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [74]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
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3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
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