[Lnc-business] Social Media Links on LNC page on lp.org
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Aug 29 17:09:24 EDT 2018
That would absolutely work Alex. Vis a vis candidates, I have candidates
contacting me quite often through my public figure page to either ask for
direction on how they can get assistance or to ask me to help raise their
visibility, which I do.
It is not "other things" v. "candidates." We are an organic whole, or at
least should be.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:52 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Agreed with Richard that this doesn't seem very controversial to me and we
> should aim to allow those who would want to be more accessible to
> membership the ability to do so.
>
> Although, to provide the distance that is a reasonable concern from social
> media statements a visible disclaimer on the page saying LNC member social
> media reflects only the opinion of the member and does not speak for the
> LNC or the LP as a whole. Such a disclaimer should help strike the balance
> in this situation.
>
> While I agree that candidates should be front and center I do think it
> would be good for intraparty morale if some LNC members were more visible
> and accessible as many are. So, I agree with Richard that those who want
> their info can make it available and those that don't, don't. I also
> understand Alicias concern and think that could be fixed with a basic
> disclaimer.
>
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
> > On Aug 29, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I agree! Let's remove our email addresses and phone numbers as well. In
> > fact, why let anyone know who we are or how to contact us at all. I say
> > we remove our names from the website all together. Let's discuss that!
> > Yes, this is sarcastic. Yes, it may be viewed as inappropriate. I
> > apologize for tone, not for content. This should be a non-troversy and
> > it seems the same parties are always doomed to butt heads. If you have
> > a problem with this, the executive director is the one to take it up
> > with as he manages the website. The Secretary is doing as requested in
> > seeking out this information. If you think it is such a bad move, then
> > make a motion and seek sponsors to instruct the ED otherwise. Let's not
> > spend another 8+ days arguing something silly that literally NOBODY
> > outside of this small committee cares about.
> > Richard
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:56 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> > <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to agree that this is something the LNC should discuss
> > before doing. When we link to someone's social media, it makes it
> > harder to distance the party from it if they say something amiss.
> > Would we have wanted to link to Arvin Vohra's social media last
> > term?
> > Also the personal social media accounts are used to promote internal
> > caucus, candidates for party office, etc. We have restrictions on
> > using party assets for those sorts of things, so should we link to
> > them from our social media assets?
> > -Alicia
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:48 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> There wasn't any formal motion. There was discussion both on
> > the list
> >> and at the first (or second) LNC meeting after the 2016
> > convention. I
> >> do not think this requires a motion and is within the ED's
> > discretion
> >> if it can be worked into the page (which was the concern after
> > the new
> >> website launched).
> >> -Caryn Ann
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:43 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> <[1][3]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I forgot to erase your signature Caryn Ann, but why is there
> > some
> >> 'blocked gif" that appears? I can't see it, and since I
> > normally
> >> erase
> >> the signatures to not have long-add-ons per Chuck Moulton's
> >> suggestion,
> >> I normally don't notice that there's some blocked gif. Is
> > that
> >> something that's seen elsewhere by people reading? Oy.
> >> ---
> >> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> On 2018-08-29 14:40, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> > wrote:
> >>> Caryn Ann, by Trent I gather you mean Trent Somes when he
> > was an
> >> LNC
> >>> alternate.
> >>>
> >>> I don't recall such by Trent Somes, so when did this get
> >> approved? You
> >>> said last term, what specifically do you mean by term? (I
> > guess I
> >> can
> >>> look through past LNC minutes, but I don't recall this
> > being asked
> >> or
> >>> being approved.)
> >>>
> >>> I'm not questioning having the secretary gather information
> > for
> >> needed
> >>> use, I'm questioning the "why" part of the whole thing.
> > I'd like
> >> to
> >>> see
> >>> the wording of what was approved.
> >>>
> >>> Again, I think the LP and LNC should focus on candidates,
> > and
> >> we're the
> >>> back-end management, not the front-men. I don't see how
> > adding
> >> social
> >>> media profiles helps with communication, on the contrary,
> > it makes
> >> it
> >>> more confusing for members to know the official channels
> > through
> >> which
> >>> they can reach LNC members. Social media isn't the same,
> > and that
> >>> means
> >>> the LP and LNC is by some sort of proxy, promoting whatever
> > people
> >> have
> >>> on their social media. Is that what we want? I'm not sure
> > that's
> >> a
> >>> good
> >>> idea. How would the LP distance itself from social media
> > pages or
> >>> profiles that post questionable content? Or, inflammatory,
> >> decisive,
> >>> etc? I think this idea is fraught with potential problems.
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>
> >>>> On 2018-08-29 13:55, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This was approved last term when Trent asked.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wes is in charge of the website.
> >>>>
> >>>> Social media contact information is pretty standard in
> > most
> >> public
> >>>> facing positions and not particularly controversial.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you would like to make a motion or such please do, but
> >> otherwise
> >>>> assisting Wes in contact information is routine and
> > ordinary.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:46 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>> <[2][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Also, why are you compiling such a list for Wes? Where
> > did this
> >> idea
> >>>>> originate?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How is this approved without the input from the LNC?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2018-08-29 13:45, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> > wrote:
> >>>>>> Why would Wes be putting social media links for LNC
> > members on
> >> the
> >>>>>> website?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think this is something that this body should
> > discuss. The
> >> LP
> >>>>>> website is an asset of the LP, and not for LNC member
> >>>>>> self-promotion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We shouldn't be the front-men, our candidates should be.
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> >>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> >>>>>> [3][5]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2018-08-29 00:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi everyone, if you have "official" or "public figure"
> > social
> >>>>>>> media
> >>>>>>> accounts that you would like listed on the LNC page,
> > please
> >> respond
> >>>>>>> off-list to me as I am compiling this list for Wes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. mailto:[6]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >> 2. mailto:[7]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> >> 3. [8]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >
> > --
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > [9]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 4. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 5. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 6. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 7. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 8. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > 9. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
>
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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That would absolutely work Alex. Vis a vis candidates, I have
candidates contacting me quite often through my public figure page to
either ask for direction on how they can get assistance or to ask me to
help raise their visibility, which I do.
It is not "other things" v. "candidates." We are an organic whole, or
at least should be.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:52 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
Lnc-business <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Agreed with Richard that this doesn't seem very controversial to me
and we should aim to allow those who would want to be more
accessible to membership the ability to do so.
Although, to provide the distance that is a reasonable concern from
social media statements a visible disclaimer on the page saying LNC
member social media reflects only the opinion of the member and does
not speak for the LNC or the LP as a whole. Such a disclaimer should
help strike the balance in this situation.
While I agree that candidates should be front and center I do think
it would be good for intraparty morale if some LNC members were more
visible and accessible as many are. So, I agree with Richard that
those who want their info can make it available and those that
don't, don't. I also understand Alicias concern and think that could
be fixed with a basic disclaimer.
Alex Merced
Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> On Aug 29, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I agree! Let's remove our email addresses and phone numbers as
well. In
> fact, why let anyone know who we are or how to contact us at
all. I say
> we remove our names from the website all together. Let's discuss
that!
> Yes, this is sarcastic. Yes, it may be viewed as inappropriate.
I
> apologize for tone, not for content. This should be a
non-troversy and
> it seems the same parties are always doomed to butt heads. If
you have
> a problem with this, the executive director is the one to take
it up
> with as he manages the website. The Secretary is doing as
requested in
> seeking out this information. If you think it is such a bad
move, then
> make a motion and seek sponsors to instruct the ED otherwise.
Let's not
> spend another 8+ days arguing something silly that literally
NOBODY
> outside of this small committee cares about.
> Richard
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:56 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> <[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I'm going to agree that this is something the LNC should
discuss
> before doing. When we link to someone's social media, it
makes it
> harder to distance the party from it if they say something
amiss.
> Would we have wanted to link to Arvin Vohra's social media
last
> term?
> Also the personal social media accounts are used to promote
internal
> caucus, candidates for party office, etc. We have
restrictions on
> using party assets for those sorts of things, so should we
link to
> them from our social media assets?
> -Alicia
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:48 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
> <[2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> There wasn't any formal motion. There was discussion both on
> the list
>> and at the first (or second) LNC meeting after the 2016
> convention. I
>> do not think this requires a motion and is within the ED's
> discretion
>> if it can be worked into the page (which was the concern after
> the new
>> website launched).
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:43 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> <[1][3][5]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I forgot to erase your signature Caryn Ann, but why is there
> some
>> 'blocked gif" that appears? I can't see it, and since I
> normally
>> erase
>> the signatures to not have long-add-ons per Chuck Moulton's
>> suggestion,
>> I normally don't notice that there's some blocked gif. Is
> that
>> something that's seen elsewhere by people reading? Oy.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> On 2018-08-29 14:40, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> wrote:
>>> Caryn Ann, by Trent I gather you mean Trent Somes when he
> was an
>> LNC
>>> alternate.
>>>
>>> I don't recall such by Trent Somes, so when did this get
>> approved? You
>>> said last term, what specifically do you mean by term? (I
> guess I
>> can
>>> look through past LNC minutes, but I don't recall this
> being asked
>> or
>>> being approved.)
>>>
>>> I'm not questioning having the secretary gather information
> for
>> needed
>>> use, I'm questioning the "why" part of the whole thing.
> I'd like
>> to
>>> see
>>> the wording of what was approved.
>>>
>>> Again, I think the LP and LNC should focus on candidates,
> and
>> we're the
>>> back-end management, not the front-men. I don't see how
> adding
>> social
>>> media profiles helps with communication, on the contrary,
> it makes
>> it
>>> more confusing for members to know the official channels
> through
>> which
>>> they can reach LNC members. Social media isn't the same,
> and that
>>> means
>>> the LP and LNC is by some sort of proxy, promoting whatever
> people
>> have
>>> on their social media. Is that what we want? I'm not sure
> that's
>> a
>>> good
>>> idea. How would the LP distance itself from social media
> pages or
>>> profiles that post questionable content? Or, inflammatory,
>> decisive,
>>> etc? I think this idea is fraught with potential problems.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>
>>>> On 2018-08-29 13:55, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This was approved last term when Trent asked.
>>>>
>>>> Wes is in charge of the website.
>>>>
>>>> Social media contact information is pretty standard in
> most
>> public
>>>> facing positions and not particularly controversial.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to make a motion or such please do, but
>> otherwise
>>>> assisting Wes in contact information is routine and
> ordinary.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:46 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>> <[2][4][6]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, why are you compiling such a list for Wes? Where
> did this
>> idea
>>>>> originate?
>>>>>
>>>>> How is this approved without the input from the LNC?
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-08-29 13:45, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> wrote:
>>>>>> Why would Wes be putting social media links for LNC
> members on
>> the
>>>>>> website?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is something that this body should
> discuss. The
>> LP
>>>>>> website is an asset of the LP, and not for LNC member
>>>>>> self-promotion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We shouldn't be the front-men, our candidates should be.
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>>>>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>>>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>>>>>> [3][5][7]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-08-29 00:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi everyone, if you have "official" or "public figure"
> social
>>>>>>> media
>>>>>>> accounts that you would like listed on the LNC page,
> please
>> respond
>>>>>>> off-list to me as I am compiling this list for Wes.
>>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:[6][8]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[7][9]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 3. [8][10]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>
> --
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [9][11]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[14]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[15]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 5. [16]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 6. mailto:[17]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 7. mailto:[18]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 8. [19]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 9. mailto:[20]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
In Liberty,
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Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary - [21]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [22]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
=======================================================================
==
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [23]http://www.LP.org
=======================================================================
==
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
6. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
7. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
8. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
9. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
10. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
11. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
15. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
16. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
17. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
18. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
19. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
20. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
21. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
22. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
23. http://www.lp.org/
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