[Lnc-business] updated draft of convention minutes

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Sep 29 06:08:19 EDT 2018


Please see attached chart from the Chicago Manual on commas.  Ultimately
and obviously not something to hold up approval, just pointing out what our
adopted Style Guide provides.  A former boss forced me to attend a comma
seminar (yes, there is such a thing - well other punctuation was covered
but it was the commas that was the triggering event) and absolutely
terrorized me over commas.  So I am scarred for life.  I am one of those
folks that knows where to put the comma and the ottoman.

I was terror to my ex-'s divorce attorney as he would said me these utterly
abysmal manglings of grammar, and I sent them back with mark-ups and puns
such as "Be careful with all those commas or you might end up with a
semi-colon."

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:25 PM john.phillips at lp.org <john.phillips at lp.org>
wrote:

> Leave all comma's out, thet are an abbreviation for communism. Plus makes
> reading far more entertaining
>
> John Phillips
>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> *Date: *Fri, Sep 28, 2018 5:18 PM
> *To: *lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> *Cc: *Caryn Ann Harlos;
> *Subject:*Re: [Lnc-business] updated draft of convention minutes
>
> It is my understanding that the Chicago Manual dictates commas on the
> inside - not my personal preference.  I have a subscription, I'll forward
> the appropriate citation once I kill this migraine.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> >    It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something that I
> >    dislike when others do it.  :-)  I'm sending an updated document draft
> >    while many of us are in transit to the meeting.
> >    Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which can be
> >    approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large audit.
> >    You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is
> >    different from the first version I sent about a month ago.
> >    I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and based
> >    on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows:
> >      * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have been
> >        intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan.
> >      * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3
> >      * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the end of
> >        quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks.  This is one of
> >        those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many consider
> >        it acceptable to place it either inside or outside.  In many of the
> >        instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like the
> >        title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim record
> >        of what someone said.  In such cases, it just looks bizarre to me
> >        for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of the
> >        title of the platform plank.  In such cases my preference is to
> >        place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so that
> >        the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part of the
> >        source material being quoted.  The inside-the-quotes approach makes
> >        more sense for something like:  "It's hot in Phoenix, but it's a
> >        dry heat," said Jane.
> >      * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the start of
> >        the Platform Committee report, the subject matter introduction in
> >        the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the Bylaws
> >        and Rules Committee report.  I've now added an identification of
> >        Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to the
> >        text.
> >      * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one location.
> >      * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name.
> >      * The missing period on p. 31 has been added.
> >      * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added.
> >
> >    There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large results
> >    out.  After I sent them, I realized that one other correction didn't
> >    make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact.  We were voting to
> >    do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather than
> >    later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots themselves so
> >    I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see it for
> >    the first draft minutes.  Grrr!  But I saw it when getting the
> >    materials together for today.
> >    This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast by
> >    Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than the 24
> >    on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers.  This has very minimal
> >    impact.  With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very slightly
> >    increases the percentages for each candidate.
> >    -Alicia
> >
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org. <+Secretary at LP.org.>
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org <+LPedia at LP.org>
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page atfacebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
> =========================================================================
>
>    It is my understanding that the Chicago Manual dictates commas on the
>    inside - not my personal preference.  I have a subscription, I'll
>    forward the appropriate citation once I kill this migraine.
>    -Caryn Ann
>
>    On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>         It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something
>      that I
>         dislike when others do it.  :-)  I'm sending an updated document
>      draft
>         while many of us are in transit to the meeting.
>         Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which
>      can be
>         approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large
>      audit.
>         You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is
>         different from the first version I sent about a month ago.
>         I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and
>      based
>         on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows:
>           * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have
>      been
>             intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan.
>           * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3
>           * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the
>      end of
>             quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks.  This is
>      one of
>             those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many
>      consider
>             it acceptable to place it either inside or outside.  In many
>      of the
>             instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like
>      the
>             title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim
>      record
>             of what someone said.  In such cases, it just looks bizarre
>      to me
>             for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of
>      the
>             title of the platform plank.  In such cases my preference is
>      to
>             place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so
>      that
>             the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part
>      of the
>             source material being quoted.  The inside-the-quotes approach
>      makes
>             more sense for something like:  "It's hot in Phoenix, but
>      it's a
>             dry heat," said Jane.
>           * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the
>      start of
>             the Platform Committee report, the subject matter
>      introduction in
>             the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the
>      Bylaws
>             and Rules Committee report.  I've now added an identification
>      of
>             Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to
>      the
>             text.
>           * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one
>      location.
>           * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name.
>           * The missing period on p. 31 has been added.
>           * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added.
>         There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large
>      results
>         out.  After I sent them, I realized that one other correction
>      didn't
>         make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact.  We were
>      voting to
>         do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather
>      than
>         later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots
>      themselves so
>         I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see
>      it for
>         the first draft minutes.  Grrr!  But I saw it when getting the
>         materials together for today.
>         This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast
>      by
>         Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than
>      the 24
>         on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers.  This has very
>      minimal
>         impact.  With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very
>      slightly
>         increases the percentages for each candidate.
>         -Alicia
>
>    --
>      In Liberty,
>    [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>    Secretary - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <+Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org. <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org <+LPedia at LP.org>
>    Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
>    at [3]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>    =======================================================================
>    ==
>    Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>    All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
>    Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
>    Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
>    the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
>    Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
>    The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
>    VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [4]http://www.LP.org
>    =======================================================================
>    ==
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    3. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>    4. http://www.lp.org/
>
>

-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

=========================================================================
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
=========================================================================
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   Please see attached chart from the Chicago Manual on commas.
   Ultimately and obviously not something to hold up approval, just
   pointing out what our adopted Style Guide provides.  A former boss
   forced me to attend a comma seminar (yes, there is such a thing - well
   other punctuation was covered but it was the commas that was the
   triggering event) and absolutely terrorized me over commas.  So I am
   scarred for life.  I am one of those folks that knows where to put the
   comma and the ottoman.
   I was terror to my ex-'s divorce attorney as he would said me these
   utterly abysmal manglings of grammar, and I sent them back with
   mark-ups and puns such as "Be careful with all those commas or you
   might end up with a semi-colon."
   -Caryn Ann

   On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:25 PM [1]john.phillips at lp.org
   <[2]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:

   Leave all comma's out, thet are an abbreviation for communism. Plus
   makes reading far more entertaining
   John Phillips
   Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
   Cell [3]217-412-5973
   ------ Original message------
   From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
   Date: Fri, Sep 28, 2018 5:18 PM
   To: [4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
   Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
   Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] updated draft of convention minutes
It is my understanding that the Chicago Manual dictates commas on the
inside - not my personal preference.  I have a subscription, I'll forward
the appropriate citation once I kill this migraine.

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <[5]
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

>    It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something that I
>    dislike when others do it.  :-)  I'm sending an updated document draft
>    while many of us are in transit to the meeting.
>    Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which can be
>    approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large audit.
>    You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is
>    different from the first version I sent about a month ago.
>    I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and based
>    on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows:
>      * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have been
>        intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan.
>      * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3
>      * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the end of
>        quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks.  This is one of
>        those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many consider
>        it acceptable to place it either inside or outside.  In many of the
>        instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like the
>        title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim record
>        of what someone said.  In such cases, it just looks bizarre to me
>        for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of the
>        title of the platform plank.  In such cases my preference is to
>        place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so that
>        the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part of the
>        source material being quoted.  The inside-the-quotes approach makes
>        more sense for something like:  "It's hot in Phoenix, but it's a
>        dry heat," said Jane.
>      * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the start of
>        the Platform Committee report, the subject matter introduction in
>        the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the Bylaws
>        and Rules Committee report.  I've now added an identification of
>        Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to the
>        text.
>      * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one location.
>      * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name.
>      * The missing period on p. 31 has been added.
>      * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added.
>
>    There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large results
>    out.  After I sent them, I realized that one other correction didn't
>    make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact.  We were voting to
>    do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather than
>    later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots themselves so
>    I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see it for
>    the first draft minutes.  Grrr!  But I saw it when getting the
>    materials together for today.
>    This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast by
>    Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than the 24
>    on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers.  This has very minimal
>    impact.  With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very slightly
>    increases the percentages for each candidate.
>    -Alicia
>
--

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- [6]Caryn.Ann.
[7]
Harlos at LP.org  or[8] Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* -[9] LPedia at LP.org
Call me at [10]561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
[11]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

=========================================================================
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [12]http://www.LP.org *
=========================================================================

   It is my understanding that the Chicago Manual dictates commas on the
   inside - not my personal preference.  I have a subscription, I'll
   forward the appropriate citation once I kill this migraine.
   -Caryn Ann

   On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
   <[1[13]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

        It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something
     that I
        dislike when others do it.  :-)  I'm sending an updated document
     draft
        while many of us are in transit to the meeting.
        Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which
     can be
        approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large
     audit.
        You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is
        different from the first version I sent about a month ago.
        I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and
     based
        on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows:
          * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have
     been
            intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan.
          * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3
          * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the
     end of
            quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks.  This is
     one of
            those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many
     consider
            it acceptable to place it either inside or outside.  In many
     of the
            instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like
     the
            title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim
     record
            of what someone said.  In such cases, it just looks bizarre
     to me
            for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of
     the
            title of the platform plank.  In such cases my preference is
     to
            place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so
     that
            the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part
     of the
            source material being quoted.  The inside-the-quotes approach
     makes
            more sense for something like:  "It's hot in Phoenix, but
     it's a
            dry heat," said Jane.
          * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the
     start of
            the Platform Committee report, the subject matter
     introduction in
            the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the
     Bylaws
            and Rules Committee report.  I've now added an identification
     of
            Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to
     the
            text.
          * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one
     location.
          * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name.
          * The missing period on p. 31 has been added.
          * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added.
        There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large
     results
        out.  After I sent them, I realized that one other correction
     didn't
        make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact.  We were
     voting to
        do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather
     than
        later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots
     themselves so
        I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see
     it for
        the first draft minutes.  Grrr!  But I saw it when getting the
        materials together for today.
        This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast
     by
        Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than
     the 24
        on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers.  This has very
     minimal
        impact.  With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very
     slightly
        increases the percentages for each candidate.
        -Alicia

   --
     In Liberty,
   [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
   Secretary - [2][14]Caryn.Ann.[15] Harlos at LP.org or[16] Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[17] LPedia at LP.org
   Call me at [18]561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
   at [3][19]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
   =======================================================================
   ==
   Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
   All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
   Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
   Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
   the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
   Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
   The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
   VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [4][20]http://www.LP.org
   =======================================================================
   ==

References

   1. mailto[21]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto[22]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   3. [23]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
   4. [24]http://www.lp.org/

   --

     In Liberty,
   [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
   Secretary - [25]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
   at [26]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
   =======================================================================
   ==
   Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
   All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
   Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
   Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
   the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
   Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
   The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
   VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [27]http://www.LP.org
   =======================================================================
   ==

References

   1. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
   2. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
   3. tel:217-412-5973
   4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   6. http://Caryn.An/
   7. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
   8. mailto:+Secretary at LP.org.
   9. mailto:+LPedia at LP.org
  10. tel:561.523.2250
  11. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  12. http://www.LP.org/
  13. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  14. http://Caryn.An/
  15. mailto:+Harlos at LP.org
  16. mailto:+Secretary at LP.org.
  17. mailto:+LPedia at LP.org
  18. tel:561.523.2250
  19. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  20. http://www.LP.org/
  21. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  22. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  23. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  24. http://www.lp.org/
  25. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  26. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  27. http://www.lp.org/
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