[Lnc-business] The Purging of Alex Jones
Wes Benedict
wes.benedict at lp.org
Sat Oct 13 11:35:07 EDT 2018
Richard, take a look at the info below and draft a press release.
Thanks,
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
> On Oct 12, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> And... it continues and we are silent
>
> [1]https://thefreethoughtproject.com/media-purge-facebook-begins-revise
> d/
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:31 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[2]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Joe your email showed up garbled on the piper mail list.
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Craig Bowden <[3]craig.bowden at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I'm not saying you did. I am saying we have to be careful about that
> perception coming across.
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Alterate
>
> On 2018-08-10 00:51, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Nothing I said implied force.
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:33 AM Craig Bowden
> <[4]craig.bowden at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> My opinion doesn't change, regardless of what is being censored
> based on
> terms agreed to. And as I said, we can certainly state that we
> disagree
> with actions a company takes. That is the purview of our own speech
> that
> can be used. Just as I didn't like that the cake baker refused
> service,
> I do not want government to do anything about it. The answer is that
> we
> can voice displeasure. We can boycott. We can create alternatives in
> the
> market. We can encourage others to take money elsewhere. We can
> encourage selling off the stocks of a company.
> That is how you handle a situation like this. As a political party,
> however, when we speak, we must be careful. The reason we must be
> careful, is that when we take a position, it can be seen as this is
> how
> we would govern, or how we would make laws. So any statement must be
> carefully made, if at all, on this sort of issue.
> You do not want the appearance that we are advocating for government
> to
> force or regulate this sort of thing.
> So if the party is going to take a stance on this, I personally
> would
> have to see language on it before I could get behind it. The last
> thing
> I want is more perception that we would like to force the baking of
> a
> cake.
> Regards,
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Alternate
> On 2018-08-09 22:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> ====We can certainly dislike private censorship, but at the end of
>
> the
>
> day,
> since it was not government, the best we can do is say that we
> disagree
> with what those social media platforms did.===
> Make the issue about race, gender, or war and insert that
>
> conclusion
>
> above and ask if we would have the same opinion.
> We wouldn’t.
> The issue isn’t if private organizations have the right to do
> something - of course they do. The issue is whether it is right
>
> to do
>
> so. We have never only stood on the side of rights we have also
>
> stood
>
> on the side of right - and the instrinsic value of open speech in
>
> an
>
> arena where it should be expected (unlike church and more like a
>
> stage
>
> for rent) is one of those things that are necessarily to prevent a
> corporate dystopia which is just as destructive to human freedom
>
> as a
>
> state one.
> We can’t pretend as if we only take absolutely thin libertarian
> stances because we don’t.
> A huge criticism of libertarianism is that we seem to act like
>
> only
>
> government can be bad actors and that private action is at worst
> neutral. And that is rightly rejected as being very naive.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 9:12 PM Craig Bowden <[5]craig.bowden at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> My statement on the issue was already done during a radio
>
> interview
>
> the
> other day. While I certainly don't appreciate people using
>
> certain
>
> type
> of language or twisting the truth, etc. they should be able to do
> so.
> However, if a platform decides that a person is violating their
> terms of
> service, which the user agreed to, it becomes a matter of
>
> contract.
>
> We
> can certainly dislike private censorship, but at the end of the
>
> day,
>
> since it was not government, the best we can do is say that we
> disagree
> with what those social media platforms did.
> I personally have zero support for Mr. Jones, but also don't mind
>
> if
>
> he
> does what he does. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. On
>
> the
>
> side of caution, I would say that we would need to know actual
>
> facts
>
> on
> why he was taken down. Was it due to repeated violations of terms
>
> of
>
> use? If so, I wouldn't say a dang word, because he clicked
>
> accept.
>
> If I were to go in front of my church and start talking about the
> glory
> of Satan, I would get shut down immediately. Why? Because I don't
> have
> freedom of speech at that pulpit. By entering the building, I
>
> agree
>
> that
> I will abide by the rules of the church. It is the same with
>
> social
>
> media platforms. That is the building, if the terms are violated,
> after
> being agreed to, that is on the person going against those terms.
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Representative
> On 2018-08-09 12:21, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> Is the LP going to issue an opinion on this? It is the perfect
> opportunity to affirm rights while showing that rights are not
>
> the
>
> end
>
> all and be all to a healthy society. A society of peaceful
>
> bigots
>
> -
>
> for instance - is a sick society. So is a society that
> paternalistically protects us all from "those unfit to speak".
> Whether or not they are *allowed* to do it misses the point.
> --
> IN LIBERTY,
> CARYN ANN HARLOS
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> _We defend your rights_
> _And oppose the use of force_
> _Taxation is theft_
>
> --
> IN LIBERTY,
> CARYN ANN HARLOS
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> _We defend your rights_
> _And oppose the use of force_
> _Taxation is theft_
>
> --
> IN LIBERTY,
> CARYN ANN HARLOS
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> _We defend your rights_
> _And oppose the use of force_
> _Taxation is theft_
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
> [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
> at [8]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> =======================================================================
> ==
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
> Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
> Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
> the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
> Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
> The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
> VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [9]http://www.LP.org
> =======================================================================
> ==
>
> References
>
> 1. https://thefreethoughtproject.com/media-purge-facebook-begins-revised/
> 2. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
> 4. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
> 5. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
> 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 8. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 9. http://www.lp.org/
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Richard, take a look at the info below and draft a press release.
Thanks,
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
[1]1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
[2](202) 333-0008 ext. 232, [3]wes.benedict at lp.org
[4]facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: [5]http://lp.org/membership
On Oct 12, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
And... it continues and we are silent
[1][7]https://thefreethoughtproject.com/media-purge-facebook-begins-r
evise
d/
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:31 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2][8]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
Joe your email showed up garbled on the piper mail list.
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Craig Bowden
<[3][9]craig.bowden at lp.org>
wrote:
I'm not saying you did. I am saying we have to be careful about
that
perception coming across.
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alterate
On 2018-08-10 00:51, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Nothing I said implied force.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:33 AM Craig Bowden
<[4][10]craig.bowden at lp.org>
wrote:
My opinion doesn't change, regardless of what is being censored
based on
terms agreed to. And as I said, we can certainly state that we
disagree
with actions a company takes. That is the purview of our own speech
that
can be used. Just as I didn't like that the cake baker refused
service,
I do not want government to do anything about it. The answer is
that
we
can voice displeasure. We can boycott. We can create alternatives
in
the
market. We can encourage others to take money elsewhere. We can
encourage selling off the stocks of a company.
That is how you handle a situation like this. As a political party,
however, when we speak, we must be careful. The reason we must be
careful, is that when we take a position, it can be seen as this is
how
we would govern, or how we would make laws. So any statement must
be
carefully made, if at all, on this sort of issue.
You do not want the appearance that we are advocating for
government
to
force or regulate this sort of thing.
So if the party is going to take a stance on this, I personally
would
have to see language on it before I could get behind it. The last
thing
I want is more perception that we would like to force the baking of
a
cake.
Regards,
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On 2018-08-09 22:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
====We can certainly dislike private censorship, but at the end of
the
day,
since it was not government, the best we can do is say that we
disagree
with what those social media platforms did.===
Make the issue about race, gender, or war and insert that
conclusion
above and ask if we would have the same opinion.
We wouldn’t.
The issue isn’t if private organizations have the right to do
something - of course they do. The issue is whether it is right
to do
so. We have never only stood on the side of rights we have also
stood
on the side of right - and the instrinsic value of open speech in
an
arena where it should be expected (unlike church and more like a
stage
for rent) is one of those things that are necessarily to prevent a
corporate dystopia which is just as destructive to human freedom
as a
state one.
We can’t pretend as if we only take absolutely thin libertarian
stances because we don’t.
A huge criticism of libertarianism is that we seem to act like
only
government can be bad actors and that private action is at worst
neutral. And that is rightly rejected as being very naive.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 9:12 PM Craig Bowden
<[5][11]craig.bowden at lp.org>
wrote:
My statement on the issue was already done during a radio
interview
the
other day. While I certainly don't appreciate people using
certain
type
of language or twisting the truth, etc. they should be able to do
so.
However, if a platform decides that a person is violating their
terms of
service, which the user agreed to, it becomes a matter of
contract.
We
can certainly dislike private censorship, but at the end of the
day,
since it was not government, the best we can do is say that we
disagree
with what those social media platforms did.
I personally have zero support for Mr. Jones, but also don't mind
if
he
does what he does. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. On
the
side of caution, I would say that we would need to know actual
facts
on
why he was taken down. Was it due to repeated violations of terms
of
use? If so, I wouldn't say a dang word, because he clicked
accept.
If I were to go in front of my church and start talking about the
glory
of Satan, I would get shut down immediately. Why? Because I don't
have
freedom of speech at that pulpit. By entering the building, I
agree
that
I will abide by the rules of the church. It is the same with
social
media platforms. That is the building, if the terms are violated,
after
being agreed to, that is on the person going against those terms.
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Representative
On 2018-08-09 12:21, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Is the LP going to issue an opinion on this? It is the perfect
opportunity to affirm rights while showing that rights are not
the
end
all and be all to a healthy society. A society of peaceful
bigots
-
for instance - is a sick society. So is a society that
paternalistically protects us all from "those unfit to speak".
Whether or not they are *allowed* to do it misses the point.
--
IN LIBERTY,
CARYN ANN HARLOS
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. [12]Harlos at LP.org or [13]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [14]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
_We defend your rights_
_And oppose the use of force_
_Taxation is theft_
--
IN LIBERTY,
CARYN ANN HARLOS
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. [15]Harlos at LP.org or [16]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [17]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
_We defend your rights_
_And oppose the use of force_
_Taxation is theft_
--
IN LIBERTY,
CARYN ANN HARLOS
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. [18]Harlos at LP.org or [19]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [20]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
_We defend your rights_
_And oppose the use of force_
_Taxation is theft_
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[6]Caryn.Ann. [21]Harlos at LP.org or [22]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [23]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
In Liberty,
[uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [7]Caryn.Ann. [24]Harlos at LP.org or [25]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [26]LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [8][27]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
=====================================================================
==
==
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [9][28]http://www.LP.org
=====================================================================
==
==
References
1.
[29]https://thefreethoughtproject.com/media-purge-facebook-begins-revis
ed/
2. [30]mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
3. [31]mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
4. [32]mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
5. [33]mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
6. [34]mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. [35]mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
8. [36]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
9. [37]http://www.lp.org/
References
1. x-apple-data-detectors://0/1
2. tel:(202) 333-0008;232
3. mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org
4. http://facebook.com/libertarians
5. http://lp.org/membership
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. https://thefreethoughtproject.com/media-purge-facebook-begins-revise
8. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
9. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
10. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
11. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
12. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
13. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
14. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
15. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
16. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
17. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
18. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
19. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
20. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
21. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
22. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
23. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
24. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
25. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
26. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
27. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
28. http://www.LP.org/
29. https://thefreethoughtproject.com/media-purge-facebook-begins-revised/
30. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
31. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
32. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
33. mailto:craig.bowden at lp.org
34. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
35. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
36. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
37. http://www.lp.org/
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