[Lnc-business] Draft 9/29/18-9/30/18 Minutes (versions 3 and 3A)
Alicia Mattson
alicia.mattson at lp.org
Thu Nov 29 20:59:43 EST 2018
<CAH> Note that although Ms. Mattson noted that my amendment to add
"statement of principles" to the employment manual amendment discussion
passed by a show of hands 13-0 in reviewing the recording it was without
objection - no vote taken. </CAH>
Ah, it looks like when I turned my hand-written notes into an email, I
referenced the wrong sentence in that paragraph. The 13-0 total was on the
final sentence of the paragraph, "The amended Mattson amendment PASSED by a
show of hands" rather than on the prior sentence which was without
objection, as you recorded.
For the updated version of the minutes, I have only a couple of additional
editorial notes for the main body:
p. 9, the words "was added" seem to be missing to the sentence about adding
5 minutes to Mr. Hagan's report.
p. 29, has duplicate wording back-to-back in the sentence, "The Merced
amendment PASSED by a show of hands with a vote with a vote of 12-1."
This is the first chance we've had to review the appendices in place.
Appendix A lists both a dog as though he is a person, and a curse phrase
nickname for one of the attendees.
The Appendix G header reached back into the Appendix F section, so that
both show as Appendix G. Word did that to me frequently, even after I had
de-linked the headers between the two sections.
Appendix F (Secretary's report) updated the co-sponsors on email ballot
2018-12, but Mr. Phillips is still missing from the co-sponsor email ballot
2018-15.
The staff report is mangled in Appendix H. It starts with several copies
of the first pages of the ED's report. The submissions from other staff
members tend to show only the first page and then go back and repeat the
first portion of the ED's report again.
Appendix I seems to be missing page 2 of that report.
For the benefit of my LNC colleagues, note that Appendix N (Historical
Preservation Committee report) now is a 39 page document, though the
version sent to us prior to the meeting was 12 pages. If you reviewed the
previously sent one at the time, know that there is new material now.
The manner used to assemble the appendices resulted in some of them no
longer being text searchable and copy/paste-able. No need to spend the
time to do it for the draft, but perhaps for the final version they could
use the OCR treatment.
-Alicia
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 6:14 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> [1] [icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3.pdf [x_8px.png]
> [2][icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3A.pdf [x_8px.png]
> Attached please find the latest draft minutes for the last meeting
> incorporating all feedback received so far received both on the list
> and by private email.
> This version contains other improvements as well:
> All the appendixes are included and are within the document structure
> itself so that every page has a consistent header and footer and the
> appendixes are included in the table of contents (which itself is a new
> addition not included in past minutes - when finalized I will make the
> table of contents "hot-linked" in the pdf so that any member can just
> click in the TOC and go right to the page - similarly to the upgrade I
> did with the Policy Manual.)
> Anticipating the LNC might want to include hand vote totals (though
> certainly not required by RONR) I have also attached an alternate
> version (version 3A) that includes that information. This information
> was not captured by me during the meeting and thus I do prefer NOT
> including it in these minutes but making it a practice for future
> minutes if that is what the LNC wishes. Note that although Ms. Mattson
> noted that my amendment to add "statement of principles" to the
> employment manual amendment discussion passed by a show of hands 13-0
> in reviewing the recording it was without objection - no vote taken.
> I had included them in my December minutes when I was acting pro tem
> but received feedback from former secretaries and LNC members that this
> information was not required and since it wasn't included for every
> hand vote that it created a consistency issue and a question why not
> noted for each vote and did not include in my July minutes. If the LNC
> wishes these to be included in the future, it is my position it needs
> for be done for every hand raise vote and not just here and there.
> A suggestion was made that this is some anti-transparency position that
> I inconsistently hold (and I wish good intentions would be presumed
> rather than bad), but it is not since numbers alone is not transparent
> - a roll call vote is and any member can ask for that at any time. It
> is the same reason that we do not grill members on "without objection"
> to determine if that means actual affirmative consent or passive
> consent.
> These past few days have been frustrating as it seems the minutes have
> become a political game. I would hope this is the last time (I hoped
> last time was). It is not serving anyone and is incredibly childish to
> observers. We are all professionals and all know how to excellently
> perform our jobs.
> I solicit feedback on this version prior to the meeting so that we are
> not using valuable meeting time on administrative tasks. The next set
> will be submitted ahead of the auto-approval date absent an unexpected
> medical situation- which unfortunately I cannot control.
> If anyone would like to be involved in the preparation or pre-review, I
> am more than glad to include you. I already utilize the wisdom and
> experience of former secretary Joe Dehn and former vice chair Chuck
> Moulton in my preparation process.
> --
> In Liberty,
> [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
> at [4]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> =======================================================================
> ==
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
> Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
> Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
> the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
> Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
> The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
> VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [5]http://www.LP.org
> =======================================================================
> ==
>
> References
>
> 1.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU/view?usp=drive_web
> 2.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt/view?usp=drive_web
> 3. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 4. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 5. http://www.lp.org/
>
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<CAH> Note that although Ms. Mattson noted that my amendment to add
"statement of principles" to the employment manual amendment discussion
passed by a show of hands 13-0 in reviewing the recording it was
without objection - no vote taken. </CAH>
Ah, it looks like when I turned my hand-written notes into an email, I
referenced the wrong sentence in that paragraph. The 13-0 total was on
the final sentence of the paragraph, "The amended Mattson amendment
PASSED by a show of hands" rather than on the prior sentence which was
without objection, as you recorded.
For the updated version of the minutes, I have only a couple of
additional editorial notes for the main body:
p. 9, the words "was added" seem to be missing to the sentence about
adding 5 minutes to Mr. Hagan's report.
p. 29, has duplicate wording back-to-back in the sentence, "The Merced
amendment PASSED by a show of hands with a vote with a vote of 12-1."
This is the first chance we've had to review the appendices in place.
Appendix A lists both a dog as though he is a person, and a curse
phrase nickname for one of the attendees.
The Appendix G header reached back into the Appendix F section, so that
both show as Appendix G. Word did that to me frequently, even after I
had de-linked the headers between the two sections.
Appendix F (Secretary's report) updated the co-sponsors on email ballot
2018-12, but Mr. Phillips is still missing from the co-sponsor email
ballot 2018-15.
The staff report is mangled in Appendix H. It starts with several
copies of the first pages of the ED's report. The submissions from
other staff members tend to show only the first page and then go back
and repeat the first portion of the ED's report again.
Appendix I seems to be missing page 2 of that report.
For the benefit of my LNC colleagues, note that Appendix N (Historical
Preservation Committee report) now is a 39 page document, though the
version sent to us prior to the meeting was 12 pages. If you reviewed
the previously sent one at the time, know that there is new material
now.
The manner used to assemble the appendices resulted in some of them no
longer being text searchable and copy/paste-able. No need to spend the
time to do it for the draft, but perhaps for the final version they
could use the OCR treatment.
-Alicia
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 6:14 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
[1] [icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3.pdf
[x_8px.png]
[2][icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-09-29-30_LNCMIN-V3A.pdf
[x_8px.png]
Attached please find the latest draft minutes for the last
meeting
incorporating all feedback received so far received both on the
list
and by private email.
This version contains other improvements as well:
All the appendixes are included and are within the document
structure
itself so that every page has a consistent header and footer and
the
appendixes are included in the table of contents (which itself is
a new
addition not included in past minutes - when finalized I will
make the
table of contents "hot-linked" in the pdf so that any member can
just
click in the TOC and go right to the page - similarly to the
upgrade I
did with the Policy Manual.)
Anticipating the LNC might want to include hand vote totals
(though
certainly not required by RONR) I have also attached an alternate
version (version 3A) that includes that information. This
information
was not captured by me during the meeting and thus I do prefer
NOT
including it in these minutes but making it a practice for future
minutes if that is what the LNC wishes. Note that although Ms.
Mattson
noted that my amendment to add "statement of principles" to the
employment manual amendment discussion passed by a show of hands
13-0
in reviewing the recording it was without objection - no vote
taken.
I had included them in my December minutes when I was acting pro
tem
but received feedback from former secretaries and LNC members
that this
information was not required and since it wasn't included for
every
hand vote that it created a consistency issue and a question why
not
noted for each vote and did not include in my July minutes. If
the LNC
wishes these to be included in the future, it is my position it
needs
for be done for every hand raise vote and not just here and
there.
A suggestion was made that this is some anti-transparency
position that
I inconsistently hold (and I wish good intentions would be
presumed
rather than bad), but it is not since numbers alone is not
transparent
- a roll call vote is and any member can ask for that at any
time. It
is the same reason that we do not grill members on "without
objection"
to determine if that means actual affirmative consent or passive
consent.
These past few days have been frustrating as it seems the minutes
have
become a political game. I would hope this is the last time (I
hoped
last time was). It is not serving anyone and is incredibly
childish to
observers. We are all professionals and all know how to
excellently
perform our jobs.
I solicit feedback on this version prior to the meeting so that
we are
not using valuable meeting time on administrative tasks. The next
set
will be submitted ahead of the auto-approval date absent an
unexpected
medical situation- which unfortunately I cannot control.
If anyone would like to be involved in the preparation or
pre-review, I
am more than glad to include you. I already utilize the wisdom
and
experience of former secretary Joe Dehn and former vice chair
Chuck
Moulton in my preparation process.
--
In Liberty,
[uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [4][2]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
====================================================================
===
==
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All
Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish
The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and
Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools
To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [5][3]http://www.LP.org
====================================================================
===
==
References
1.
[4]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU
/view?usp=drive_web
2.
[5]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt
/view?usp=drive_web
3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
4. [7]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
5. [8]http://www.lp.org/
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
3. http://www.LP.org/
4. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a4Q8cXM-BLLJ14XUCwwo4pXUKuMKYLaU/view?usp=drive_web
5. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Gz-_gq_S8mHe2aIet1vxIIksdyWqN6Vt/view?usp=drive_web
6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
8. http://www.lp.org/
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