[Lnc-business] Koerner proposal
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Dec 22 21:50:51 EST 2018
We should be better. And I’ve looked into this and it’s a huge
misunderstanding that we are too damned proud to own.
Call it karma or justice, but we certainly have set ourselves to be
deservedly shat upon.
The Golden Rule is still a thing.
I’m here for Liberty with a heart. People first. Relationship builders.
We failed here.
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 3:11 PM john.phillips at lp.org <john.phillips at lp.org>
wrote:
> I didn't say that was what you were talking about. I said lots just did
> not agree with your point.
>
> Then pointed out some of the reasons they might not agree.
>
> Personally it was meh. Were we great? No, but neither was he. It
> was business. He made a very high cost proposal. By the time of this
> meeting he knew we were going to say no, everyone did, I know he did
> because several people told his rep exactly that. The opportunity was there
> to table. He chose to push his luck.
>
> My example about the corvette is a very common example across both
> business and personal purchases. "Oh we love it!" ..."Wait you said how
> much" ... "Whispers amongst selves 'that's way to much, we are way to far
> apart to waste time negotiating'"... "We're gonna pass". Happens every day.
> If the last stage even happens. Most people don't get even that, they just
> don't get a return call. I've been on both sides of that scenario for 30ish
> years. Nothing unusual or shitty about it.
>
>
> John Phillips
>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Date: *Sat, Dec 22, 2018 3:54 PM
> *To: *john.phillips at lp.org;
> *Cc: *Whitney Bilyeu;lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> *Subject:*Re: [Lnc-business] Koerner proposal
>
> No John nothing you mentioned is what I am talking about.
>
> I’m talking about our behavior.
>
> I’m not talking about money.
>
> I’m not talking about whether his idea is worthwhile.
>
> I’m talking about the shitty way we acted.
>
> Relationships matter.
>
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 1:28 PM john.phillips at lp.org <john.phillips at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Nope Caryn Ann. Just several people do not agree with it.
>>
>> I see both sides and point out things on both.
>>
>> It is a good idea. I spoke highly of it in Phoenix. I thought the ask
>> was a bit high, but honestly thought he was spitballing and his real
>> proposal would be somewhat lower. Then I talked to people I know who make
>> a living in marketing on local and national levels. As I said in our off
>> list discussion they came back with a substantially lower number for what
>> they would charge for a similar offer.
>>
>> Just because I like and really want that corvette for sale out there
>> does not mean I am not going to check blue book on it before I drop cash on
>> it, and if book value is substantially lower I may not come back knowing we
>> are too far apart.
>>
>> I also agreed with you that asking what was going on with it was
>> reasonable because apparently last time there was some confusion and some
>> info we did not all have, tho I do not think it would have changed the
>> outcome.
>>
>> I like his idea. I would love to pursue it further. After due diligence
>> at about 1/10 of his ask. Unless he DRAMATICALLY increases his amount of
>> consulting hours. Also after we get our ducks in a row budget wise.
>>
>> We rail against Ds and Rs deficit spending, I for one am not going to
>> be a hypocrite and support a deficit budget. Especially for that, if I was
>> I would have pushed it elsewhere anyway, like ballot access or keeping at
>> least 2 more great employees at full time.
>>
>> While yes this is branding, it also falls deep into candidate support, so
>> maybe fundraising that to help?
>>
>> Also, I was led to believe that his team had leads on people willing to
>> donate to fund it - part of the reason I misunderstood their desire to
>> table it - if that is the case perhaps we need to let them do that before
>> we reconsider the project. If they showed up with 30k worth of committed
>> donors that would change a lot of minds.
>>
>> John Phillips
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>> *From: *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Date: *Sat, Dec 22, 2018 1:58 PM
>> *To: *lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>> *Cc: *Whitney Bilyeu;john.phillips at lp.org;
>> *Subject:*Re: [Lnc-business] Koerner proposal
>>
>> I see my main point is lost.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 12:47 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I also know that some staff are pursuing fundraising training, so if
>>> we
>>> have the money to burn we could possibly bring them back to full time
>>> to pursue that.
>>> Competitions are free ;)
>>> John Phillips
>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>>>
>>> ------ Original message------
>>> From: Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business
>>> Date: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 1:39 PM
>>> To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>> Cc: Joe Bishop-Henchman;Whitney Bilyeu;
>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Koerner proposal
>>> I agree with Ms. Bilyeu.
>>> I'll add that we are nearly $100,000 behind on bills, so my preference
>>> is that we not pursue supplemental expenses or staff activity
>>> directives that are not fundraising related, at least until our bill
>>> backlog is stabilized. All new initiatives involve some amount of risk
>>> and I personally prefer we be risk-averse until we are no longer doing
>>> the equivalent of putting the electric bill into the water company
>>> envelope each month.
>>> Marketing initiatives are at best indirectly related to fundraising,
>>> and it's hard for me to see how this campaign will generate more
>>> revenue than its costs (both dollar and staff time) in the near future
>>> even if the costs are minimal. If we have $40,000 to burn let's hire
>>> another full time fundraiser to work the phones.
>>> JBH
>>> On Dec 22, 2018 11:45 AM, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Unless there is a new proposal on the table, I don't see what there
>>> is to
>>> discuss. The LNC rejected the original proposal, and no one offered
>>> amendments. It seems there is little to no overall interest in
>>> furthering
>>> this.
>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 9:40 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>>> [3] lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
>>> > Here's my perspective:
>>> > A proposal was brought forth.
>>> > LNC discussed and gave feedback as to several changes that each
>>> of us
>>> > would be more likely to consider.
>>> > Presumably a counter offer was made with those requests or
>>> thoughts.
>>> > The LNC formally rejected the original proposal.
>>> > As far as I see it, I'm waiting on Koerner to get back to us
>>> with a
>>> > reasonable proposal stemming from the feedback he has already
>>> received.
>>> > Until I see another proposal, I don't have anything more to
>>> discuss on
>>> > this because the original was rejected. I would rather the LP
>>> hold a
>>> > contest to come up with voluntarily submitted branding ideas
>>> rather
>>> > than pursue this idea where the contract was unreasonable and
>>> no
>>> > response is being made to our public comment and our input for
>>> a
>>> > renegotiation. Either Koerner wants to pursue this or not, I
>>> will not
>>> > be further pursuing it for him.
>>> > If the lack of negotiation stems from nobody on our end
>>> formally
>>> > reaching out and negotiating the contract with him, despite his
>>> > efforts, that is very irresponsible but the only person charged
>>> to do
>>> > that from this body is Nick and I trust he has done what he has
>>> been
>>> > charged with. I also trust that he hasn't gotten responses
>>> which is why
>>> > nothing else has come before the body.
>>> > I am very open and willing to discuss other proposals he brings
>>> forth,
>>> > however, at this time, there is nothing on the table.
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
>>> WA, WY)
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > [1[4]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > [5]931.538.9300
>>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >
>>> > On Dec 21, 2018 23:18, "Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business"
>>> > <[2[6]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > As I think I made clear during our last meeting, I was
>>> really
>>> > unhappy
>>> > with how we handled this (praxis, not necessarily the
>>> result).
>>> > Where
>>> > are we at? Is the Chair still engaging in negotiations?
>>> I ask
>>> > that
>>> > this be added to the e-agenda for the January meeting.
>>> > --
>>> > In Liberty,
>>> >
>>> [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
>>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>> Secretary
>>> > - [1][7]Caryn.Ann.[8] Harlos at LP.org <+Harlos at LP.org>
>>> or[9] Secretary at LP.org. <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>> [10] LPedia at LP.org <+LPedia at LP.org>
>>> > Call me at [11]561.523.2250 and follow my public figure
>>> page
>>> > at [2][3][12]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ====================================================================
>>> > ===
>>> > ==
>>> > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
>>> > Re-Legalize
>>> > All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom *
>>> Repeal All
>>> > Gun
>>> > Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money *
>>> Abolish
>>> > The
>>> > Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS
>>> and
>>> > Repeal
>>> > the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
>>> > Free-market
>>> > Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government
>>> Schools
>>> > To
>>> > The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
>>> > VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [3][4][13]
>>> http://www.LP.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ====================================================================
>>> > ===
>>> > ==
>>> > References
>>> > 1. mailto:[5[14]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 2. [6][15]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> > 3. [7][16]http://www.lp.org/
>>> >
>>> > References
>>> >
>>> > 1. mailto[17]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 2. mailto[18]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 3. [19]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> > 4. [20]http://www.LP.org/
>>> > 5. mailto[21]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> > 6. [22]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> > 7. [23]http://www.lp.org/
>>> >
>>>
>>> Unless there is a new proposal on the table, I don't see what
>>> there is
>>> to discuss. The LNC rejected the original proposal, and no one
>>> offered
>>> amendments. It seems there is little to no overall interest in
>>> furthering this.
>>> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 9:40 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>>> <[1[24]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
>>> Here's my perspective:
>>> A proposal was brought forth.
>>> LNC discussed and gave feedback as to several changes that
>>> each
>>> of us
>>> would be more likely to consider.
>>> Presumably a counter offer was made with those requests or
>>> thoughts.
>>> The LNC formally rejected the original proposal.
>>> As far as I see it, I'm waiting on Koerner to get back to us
>>> with
>>> a
>>> reasonable proposal stemming from the feedback he has
>>> already
>>> received.
>>> Until I see another proposal, I don't have anything more to
>>> discuss on
>>> this because the original was rejected. I would rather the
>>> LP
>>> hold a
>>> contest to come up with voluntarily submitted branding ideas
>>> rather
>>> than pursue this idea where the contract was unreasonable
>>> and no
>>> response is being made to our public comment and our input
>>> for a
>>> renegotiation. Either Koerner wants to pursue this or not, I
>>> will
>>> not
>>> be further pursuing it for him.
>>> If the lack of negotiation stems from nobody on our end
>>> formally
>>> reaching out and negotiating the contract with him, despite
>>> his
>>> efforts, that is very irresponsible but the only person
>>> charged
>>> to do
>>> that from this body is Nick and I trust he has done what he
>>> has
>>> been
>>> charged with. I also trust that he hasn't gotten responses
>>> which
>>> is why
>>> nothing else has come before the body.
>>> I am very open and willing to discuss other proposals he
>>> brings
>>> forth,
>>> however, at this time, there is nothing on the table.
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
>>> WA,
>>> WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [1][2[25]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [26]931.538.9300
>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> On Dec 21, 2018 23:18, "Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business"
>>> <[2][3[27]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> As I think I made clear during our last meeting, I was
>>> really
>>> unhappy
>>> with how we handled this (praxis, not necessarily the
>>> result).
>>> Where
>>> are we at? Is the Chair still engaging in
>>> negotiations? I
>>> ask
>>> that
>>> this be added to the e-agenda for the January meeting.
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>> Secretary
>>> - [1][28]Caryn.Ann.[29] Harlos at LP.org <+Harlos at LP.org>
>>> or[30] Secretary at LP.org. <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>> [31] LPedia at LP.org <+LPedia at LP.org>
>>> Call me at [32]561.523.2250 and follow my public
>>> figure
>>> page
>>> at [2][3][4][33]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>>
>>> ====================================================================
>>> ===
>>> ==
>>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations *
>>> Non-interventionism *
>>> Re-Legalize
>>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom *
>>> Repeal
>>> All
>>> Gun
>>> Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money
>>> *
>>> Abolish
>>> The
>>> Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The
>>> IRS
>>> and
>>> Repeal
>>> the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation
>>> Infrastructure *
>>> Free-market
>>> Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer
>>> Government
>>> Schools
>>> To
>>> The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
>>> VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or
>>> [3][4][5][34]http://www.LP.org
>>>
>>> ====================================================================
>>> ===
>>> ==
>>> References
>>> 1. mailto:[5[35]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 2. [6][6][36]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 3. [7][7][37]http://www.lp.org/
>>> References
>>> 1. mailto:[8[38]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 2. mailto:[9[39]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 3. [10][40]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 4. [11][41]http://www.LP.org/
>>> 5. mailto:[12[42]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 6. [13][43]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 7. [14][44]http://www.lp.org/
>>> References
>>> 1. mailto[45]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 2. mailto[46]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 3. mailto[47]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 4. [48]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 5. [49]http://www.LP.org/
>>> 6. [50]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 7. [51]http://www.lp.org/
>>> 8. mailto[52]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 9. mailto[53]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 10. [54]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 11. [55]http://www.LP.org/
>>> 12. mailto[56]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 13. [57]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 14. [58]http://www.lp.org/
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. tel:217-412-5973
>>> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 3. mailto: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 4. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 5. tel:931.538.9300
>>> 6. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 7. http://Caryn.An/
>>> 8. mailto: Harlos at LP.org <+Harlos at LP.org>
>>> 9. mailto: Secretary at LP.org. <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>>> 10. mailto: LPedia at LP.org <+LPedia at LP.org>
>>> 11. tel:561.523.2250
>>> 12. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 13. http://www.LP.org/
>>> 14. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 15. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 16. http://www.lp.org/
>>> 17. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 18. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 19. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 20. http://www.LP.org/
>>> 21. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 22. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 23. http://www.lp.org/
>>> 24. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 25. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 26. tel:931.538.9300
>>> 27. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 28. http://Caryn.An/
>>> 29. mailto: Harlos at LP.org <+Harlos at LP.org>
>>> 30. mailto: Secretary at LP.org. <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>>> 31. mailto: LPedia at LP.org <+LPedia at LP.org>
>>> 32. tel:561.523.2250
>>> 33. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 34. http://www.LP.org/
>>> 35. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 36. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 37. http://www.lp.org/
>>> 38. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 39. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 40. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 41. http://www.LP.org/
>>> 42. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 43. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 44. http://www.lp.org/
>>> 45. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 46. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 47. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 48. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 49. http://www.LP.org/
>>> 50. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 51. http://www.lp.org/
>>> 52. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 53. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 54. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 55. http://www.LP.org/
>>> 56. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 57. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> 58. http://www.lp.org/
>>>
>> --
>>
>> * In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> <+LPedia at LP.org>
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
>> =========================================================================
>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
>> <http://www.lp.org/>*
>> =========================================================================
>>
> --
>
> * In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> <+Secretary at LP.org.>
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> <+LPedia at LP.org>
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
=========================================================================
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *
*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
=========================================================================
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We should be better. And I’ve looked into this and it’s a huge
misunderstanding that we are too damned proud to own.
Call it karma or justice, but we certainly have set ourselves to be
deservedly shat upon.
The Golden Rule is still a thing.
I’m here for Liberty with a heart. People first. Relationship
builders. We failed here.
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 3:11 PM [1]john.phillips at lp.org
<[2]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
I didn't say that was what you were talking about. I said lots just
did not agree with your point.
Then pointed out some of the reasons they might not agree.
Personally it was meh. Were we great? No, but neither was he. It
was business. He made a very high cost proposal. By the time of this
meeting he knew we were going to say no, everyone did, I know he did
because several people told his rep exactly that. The opportunity was
there to table. He chose to push his luck.
My example about the corvette is a very common example across both
business and personal purchases. "Oh we love it!" ..."Wait you said
how much" ... "Whispers amongst selves 'that's way to much, we are way
to far apart to waste time negotiating'"... "We're gonna pass". Happens
every day. If the last stage even happens. Most people don't get even
that, they just don't get a return call. I've been on both sides of
that scenario for 30ish years. Nothing unusual or shitty about it.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [3]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos
Date: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 3:54 PM
To: [4]john.phillips at lp.org;
Cc: Whitney Bilyeu[5];lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Koerner proposal
No John nothing you mentioned is what I am talking about.
I’m talking about our behavior.
I’m not talking about money.
I’m not talking about whether his idea is worthwhile.
I’m talking about the shitty way we acted.
Relationships matter.
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 1:28 PM [6]john.phillips at lp.org
<[7]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
Nope Caryn Ann. Just several people do not agree with it.
I see both sides and point out things on both.
It is a good idea. I spoke highly of it in Phoenix. I thought the ask
was a bit high, but honestly thought he was spitballing and his real
proposal would be somewhat lower. Then I talked to people I know who
make a living in marketing on local and national levels. As I said in
our off list discussion they came back with a substantially lower
number for what they would charge for a similar offer.
Just because I like and really want that corvette for sale out there
does not mean I am not going to check blue book on it before I drop
cash on it, and if book value is substantially lower I may not come
back knowing we are too far apart.
I also agreed with you that asking what was going on with it was
reasonable because apparently last time there was some confusion and
some info we did not all have, tho I do not think it would have changed
the outcome.
I like his idea. I would love to pursue it further. After due
diligence at about 1/10 of his ask. Unless he DRAMATICALLY increases
his amount of consulting hours. Also after we get our ducks in a row
budget wise.
We rail against Ds and Rs deficit spending, I for one am not going to
be a hypocrite and support a deficit budget. Especially for that, if I
was I would have pushed it elsewhere anyway, like ballot access or
keeping at least 2 more great employees at full time.
While yes this is branding, it also falls deep into candidate support,
so maybe fundraising that to help?
Also, I was led to believe that his team had leads on people willing to
donate to fund it - part of the reason I misunderstood their desire to
table it - if that is the case perhaps we need to let them do that
before we reconsider the project. If they showed up with 30k worth of
committed donors that would change a lot of minds.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [8]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos
Date: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 1:58 PM
To: [9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Whitney Bilyeu[10];john.phillips at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Koerner proposal
I see my main point is lost.
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 12:47 PM [11]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
<[12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I also know that some staff are pursuing fundraising training, so
if we
have the money to burn we could possibly bring them back to full
time
to pursue that.
Competitions are free ;)
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1][13]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business
Date: Sat, Dec 22, 2018 1:39 PM
To: [2][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Joe Bishop-Henchman;Whitney Bilyeu;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Koerner proposal
I agree with Ms. Bilyeu.
I'll add that we are nearly $100,000 behind on bills, so my
preference
is that we not pursue supplemental expenses or staff activity
directives that are not fundraising related, at least until our
bill
backlog is stabilized. All new initiatives involve some amount of
risk
and I personally prefer we be risk-averse until we are no longer
doing
the equivalent of putting the electric bill into the water
company
envelope each month.
Marketing initiatives are at best indirectly related to
fundraising,
and it's hard for me to see how this campaign will generate more
revenue than its costs (both dollar and staff time) in the near
future
even if the costs are minimal. If we have $40,000 to burn let's
hire
another full time fundraiser to work the phones.
JBH
On Dec 22, 2018 11:45 AM, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
wrote:
Unless there is a new proposal on the table, I don't see what
there
is to
discuss. The LNC rejected the original proposal, and no one
offered
amendments. It seems there is little to no overall interest in
furthering
this.
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 9:40 AM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business <
[3] [15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
> Here's my perspective:
> A proposal was brought forth.
> LNC discussed and gave feedback as to several changes that
each
of us
> would be more likely to consider.
> Presumably a counter offer was made with those requests or
thoughts.
> The LNC formally rejected the original proposal.
> As far as I see it, I'm waiting on Koerner to get back to
us
with a
> reasonable proposal stemming from the feedback he has
already
received.
> Until I see another proposal, I don't have anything more
to
discuss on
> this because the original was rejected. I would rather the
LP
hold a
> contest to come up with voluntarily submitted branding
ideas
rather
> than pursue this idea where the contract was unreasonable
and
no
> response is being made to our public comment and our input
for
a
> renegotiation. Either Koerner wants to pursue this or not,
I
will not
> be further pursuing it for him.
> If the lack of negotiation stems from nobody on our end
formally
> reaching out and negotiating the contract with him,
despite his
> efforts, that is very irresponsible but the only person
charged
to do
> that from this body is Nick and I trust he has done what
he has
been
> charged with. I also trust that he hasn't gotten responses
which is why
> nothing else has come before the body.
> I am very open and willing to discuss other proposals he
brings
forth,
> however, at this time, there is nothing on the table.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
UT,
WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [1[4]][16]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [5][17]931.538.9300
> Sent from my Mobile Device
>
> On Dec 21, 2018 23:18, "Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business"
> <[2[6]][18]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> As I think I made clear during our last meeting, I
was
really
> unhappy
> with how we handled this (praxis, not necessarily the
result).
> Where
> are we at? Is the Chair still engaging in
negotiations?
I ask
> that
> this be added to the e-agenda for the January
meeting.
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Secretary at LP.org.
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Unless there is a new proposal on the table, I don't see
what
there is
to discuss. The LNC rejected the original proposal, and no
one
offered
amendments. It seems there is little to no overall interest
in
furthering this.
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 9:40 AM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
<[1[24]][36]lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
Here's my perspective:
A proposal was brought forth.
LNC discussed and gave feedback as to several changes
that
each
of us
would be more likely to consider.
Presumably a counter offer was made with those requests
or
thoughts.
The LNC formally rejected the original proposal.
As far as I see it, I'm waiting on Koerner to get back
to us
with
a
reasonable proposal stemming from the feedback he has
already
received.
Until I see another proposal, I don't have anything
more to
discuss on
this because the original was rejected. I would rather
the
LP
hold a
contest to come up with voluntarily submitted branding
ideas
rather
than pursue this idea where the contract was
unreasonable
and no
response is being made to our public comment and our
input
for a
renegotiation. Either Koerner wants to pursue this or
not, I
will
not
be further pursuing it for him.
If the lack of negotiation stems from nobody on our end
formally
reaching out and negotiating the contract with him,
despite
his
efforts, that is very irresponsible but the only person
charged
to do
that from this body is Nick and I trust he has done
what he
has
been
charged with. I also trust that he hasn't gotten
responses
which
is why
nothing else has come before the body.
I am very open and willing to discuss other proposals
he
brings
forth,
however, at this time, there is nothing on the table.
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
HI, UT,
WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[1][2[25]][37]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[26][38]931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Dec 21, 2018 23:18, "Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business"
<[2][3[27]][39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
As I think I made clear during our last meeting, I
was
really
unhappy
with how we handled this (praxis, not necessarily
the
result).
Where
are we at? Is the Chair still engaging in
negotiations? I
ask
that
this be added to the e-agenda for the January
meeting.
--
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Committee
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- [1][28][40]Caryn.Ann.[29][41] Harlos at LP.org
or[30][42] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
[31][43] LPedia at LP.org
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*
Abolish
The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish
The
IRS
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Infrastructure *
Free-market
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All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
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Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
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