[Lnc-business] DRAFT MINUTES from December 1-2 2018 meeting version 3

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jan 10 16:55:53 EST 2019


Thank you I will take a look.

It was though South Carolina Susan was promoting as a favor

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

>    Below are my comments on version 3 of the draft December LNC minutes.
>    APPENDICES:
>    Appendix F, Secretary’s Report
>    1)  It appears that this is version 4 of the Secretary’s report, though
>    there is a version 5, which removed the COC from the list of
>    “Appointments Remaining” and added a one-page “appended correction”.
>    2) Version 5 of the report still says “version 4” in the footer
>    3) Version 5 still reports in the “Appointments Remaining” list that
>    the Ballot Access Committee was lacking a chair, though it already had
>    one.
>    4) The “appended correction” page in version 5 lists 11/9/18 in the
>    “Date” column for the COC appointments, though the description of that
>    item indicates the appointment was made on 11/1/18.
>    5) The footer on page 7 of version 5 indicates that it is “page 1 of
>    6”, though it is page 7 of 7 (assuming you will delete the blank page
>    8).
>    Appendix S contains version 2 of the Region 5 report, though as noted
>    in footnote 16 on p. 19 of the minutes, Dr. Lark submitted a version 3
>    with information from South Carolina
>    MAIN BODY:
>    p. 10, second paragraph under “Treasurer’s Report” – It indicates that
>    Mr. Kraus reported $12,300 of unrestricted cash.  It’s not a large
>    dollar amount difference, however Mr. Kraus said $11,700.
>    p. 10 - The motion moved and later withdrawn by Mr. Redpath was not a
>    motion to entirely eliminate the Wiener Rule as the draft indicates.
>    It would have deleted all but the first sentence.
>    p. 17 contains a sentence, “Without objection, Mr. Goldstein moved to
>    enter executive session with Ms. Daugherty present.”  My notes indicate
>    that there was no objection to allowing Ms. Daugherty to be present,
>    but I believe you voted against the motion to enter executive session
>    so that it was not without objection.
>    p. 17 - It is later noted what time we emerged from executive session,
>    but you could also note that we entered executive session at 4:55 p.m.
>    p. 18, under “Membership Support Committee” – An “Easter egg” has not
>    yet been removed from version 3.
>    p. 19, under “Region 5 Report” – The draft indicates that Ms. Hogarth
>    provided a report focusing on South Carolina, though it should be North
>    Carolina.
>    p. 20, under “Region 8 Report” – It was Dan Fishman, rather than Mr.
>    Lyons, who provided additional information regarding Massachusetts.
>    p. 21, under “Executive Session”, it is later noted what time we
>    emerged from executive session, but you could also note that we entered
>    executive session at 11:00 a.m.
>    p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Nekhaila offered a substitute motion as
>    follows: …”  However, his motion was not a substitute for the entirety
>    of item F.  It was clarified that it only replaced the first portion
>    and the second portion would be retained regarding encumbrances, etc.
>    p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Sarwark indicated that the LNC would be in
>    recess…”  This sounds like the chair unilaterally declared a recess.
>    The chair inquired whether there was any objection, and there was none.
>    p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Smith moved to close debate on all pending
>    questions.”  He only said “call the question” without saying “on all
>    pending questions”, and we only proceeded to a vote on the pending
>    amendments but not to a vote on the pending main motion.
>    p. 26, regarding the bullet list of debate points on item C –
>    Obviously, I have advocated that this degree of debate shouldn’t be in
>    the minutes, but if it’s going to be there I think at least one
>    particularly substantive point was not included in the list though it
>    was mentioned at least twice during debate, that the motion only cuts
>    the planned expenditure line without also cutting the matching
>    assumption that $28,000 revenue would be raised to cover that expense.
>    p. 26 indicates that, “Without objection, Mr. Merced moved to close
>    debate on all pending questions.”  Again, we merely closed debate on
>    all pending amendments, not including the pending main motion.
>    p. 28, footnote 33 asserts that, “This would be accomplished by
>    reducing the number of in-person LNC meetings to three (3) and cutting
>    out all frills such as meals.”  This is an example where something said
>    during debate wasn’t correct, yet it is stated in the minutes as though
>    it is fact, and as though the LNC all agreed that's how the reduction
>    would be accomplished.  Bill Redpath and I specifically noted during
>    subsequent debate that three is the normal number of annual meetings,
>    so having three meetings is not a reduction.
>    p. 29, footnote 35 credits me with referring the LNC to RONR p. 315.
>    While that’s a perfectly applicable reference that confirms what I
>    advised, I don’t recall actually looking the subject up in the index
>    and referring the LNC to that (or any other) page number.  I only
>    recall taking a quick look at the tables on the tinted pages to
>    re-confirm that only a majority was required.
>    p. 30, footnote 39 should instead say the Building Fund expenses were
>    cut from $60,000 to $20,000, rather than from $60,000 to $40,000.
>    p. 30, I don’t understand footnote 40 – It indicates “This represents
>    150% of ballot access expenses as amended.”  We only left $22,000 in
>    ballot access expense, but the number associated with this footnote is
>    the changed-by amount of $57,800, which is well above 150% of $22,000.
>    If it was meant to refer to the $75,000 in the “as amended” column,
>    that figure was at one point during the process 150% of the
>    intermediate $50,000 expense figure, but we later removed another
>    $28,000 from that to reduce it to $22,000, so the 150% ratio no longer
>    exists in the final budget.
>    p. 31, regarding line “40-Administrative Costs” in the budget table –
>    This row is missing a figure in the center column to show the amount of
>    the decrease from the proposed budget to the adopted budget, as was
>    done for other categories which were amended.
>    p. 31, footnote 44 documents only part of the net -$2,000 change.  A
>    previous Mattson motion increased it by $8,000, then part H of the
>    Henchman motion reduced it by $10,000 for the net change.
>    p. 33, footnote 56, I don’t understand the distinction being made that
>    answering “present” was “counted as” an abstention.  It IS an
>    abstention without any interpretation necessary.  RONR p. 421, “If he
>    does not wish to vote, he answers present (or abstain).”  Similarly,
>    voting “yes” and voting “aye” carry the same meaning, but we don’t
>    footnote to say a “yes” vote was counted as an “aye”.
>    p. 35, Table of Appendices – Mr. Hagan is listed as the author of
>    Appendix E, however Robert Kraus prepares the monthly financial
>    reports.
>    p. 35, Table of Appendices – Mr. Hewitt is listed as the author of
>    Appendix R, however the body of the minutes indicate that Dr. Olsen
>    submitted that report…probably because Mr. Hewitt has been just a wee
>    bit busy with, I dunno, something...  :-)
>    p. 37, public comments by Ms. Hogarth indicate that she promoted a
>    fundraiser for the Libertarian Party of South Carolina, though I
>    believe it should be North Carolina.
>    p. 37, footnote 59 – Including this plug in our minutes could be an FEC
>    violation if we are soliciting non-federal funds.  It looks as though
>    North Carolina has recently started filing FEC reports, however even
>    FEC-filing state affiliates can also raise non-federal funds.  Has
>    anyone confirmed whether this a fundraiser for federal funds that will
>    be reported to the FEC?
>    -Alicia
>
>    On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 4:32 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>         [1] [icon_10_generic_list.png]  2018-12-01-02-MINUTES-V3.pdf
>         [x_8px.png]
>         Dr. Lark kindly sent me some suggestions off-list which I have
>         incorporated into this draft.
>         If anyone would like a word version, please let me know offlist.
>         --
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>         Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>         - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>         Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>         Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
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>      References
>         1.
>      [4]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2H
>      /view?usp=drive_web
>         2. mailto:[5]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>         3. [6]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>         4. [7]http://www.lp.org/
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    2. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>    3. http://www.LP.org/
>    4.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2H/view?usp=drive_web
>    5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    6. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>    7. http://www.lp.org/
>
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*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
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   Thank you I will take a look.

   It was though South Carolina Susan was promoting as a favor

   On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

        Below are my comments on version 3 of the draft December LNC
     minutes.
        APPENDICES:
        Appendix F, Secretary’s Report
        1)  It appears that this is version 4 of the Secretary’s report,
     though
        there is a version 5, which removed the COC from the list of
        “Appointments Remaining” and added a one-page “appended
     correction”.
        2) Version 5 of the report still says “version 4” in the footer
        3) Version 5 still reports in the “Appointments Remaining” list
     that
        the Ballot Access Committee was lacking a chair, though it
     already had
        one.
        4) The “appended correction” page in version 5 lists 11/9/18 in
     the
        “Date” column for the COC appointments, though the description of
     that
        item indicates the appointment was made on 11/1/18.
        5) The footer on page 7 of version 5 indicates that it is “page 1
     of
        6”, though it is page 7 of 7 (assuming you will delete the blank
     page
        8).
        Appendix S contains version 2 of the Region 5 report, though as
     noted
        in footnote 16 on p. 19 of the minutes, Dr. Lark submitted a
     version 3
        with information from South Carolina
        MAIN BODY:
        p. 10, second paragraph under “Treasurer’s Report” – It indicates
     that
        Mr. Kraus reported $12,300 of unrestricted cash.  It’s not a
     large
        dollar amount difference, however Mr. Kraus said $11,700.
        p. 10 - The motion moved and later withdrawn by Mr. Redpath was
     not a
        motion to entirely eliminate the Wiener Rule as the draft
     indicates.
        It would have deleted all but the first sentence.
        p. 17 contains a sentence, “Without objection, Mr. Goldstein
     moved to
        enter executive session with Ms. Daugherty present.”  My notes
     indicate
        that there was no objection to allowing Ms. Daugherty to be
     present,
        but I believe you voted against the motion to enter executive
     session
        so that it was not without objection.
        p. 17 - It is later noted what time we emerged from executive
     session,
        but you could also note that we entered executive session at 4:55
     p.m.
        p. 18, under “Membership Support Committee” – An “Easter egg” has
     not
        yet been removed from version 3.
        p. 19, under “Region 5 Report” – The draft indicates that Ms.
     Hogarth
        provided a report focusing on South Carolina, though it should be
     North
        Carolina.
        p. 20, under “Region 8 Report” – It was Dan Fishman, rather than
     Mr.
        Lyons, who provided additional information regarding
     Massachusetts.
        p. 21, under “Executive Session”, it is later noted what time we
        emerged from executive session, but you could also note that we
     entered
        executive session at 11:00 a.m.
        p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Nekhaila offered a substitute motion
     as
        follows: …”  However, his motion was not a substitute for the
     entirety
        of item F.  It was clarified that it only replaced the first
     portion
        and the second portion would be retained regarding encumbrances,
     etc.
        p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Sarwark indicated that the LNC would
     be in
        recess…”  This sounds like the chair unilaterally declared a
     recess.
        The chair inquired whether there was any objection, and there was
     none.
        p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Smith moved to close debate on all
     pending
        questions.”  He only said “call the question” without saying “on
     all
        pending questions”, and we only proceeded to a vote on the
     pending
        amendments but not to a vote on the pending main motion.
        p. 26, regarding the bullet list of debate points on item C –
        Obviously, I have advocated that this degree of debate shouldn’t
     be in
        the minutes, but if it’s going to be there I think at least one
        particularly substantive point was not included in the list
     though it
        was mentioned at least twice during debate, that the motion only
     cuts
        the planned expenditure line without also cutting the matching
        assumption that $28,000 revenue would be raised to cover that
     expense.
        p. 26 indicates that, “Without objection, Mr. Merced moved to
     close
        debate on all pending questions.”  Again, we merely closed debate
     on
        all pending amendments, not including the pending main motion.
        p. 28, footnote 33 asserts that, “This would be accomplished by
        reducing the number of in-person LNC meetings to three (3) and
     cutting
        out all frills such as meals.”  This is an example where
     something said
        during debate wasn’t correct, yet it is stated in the minutes as
     though
        it is fact, and as though the LNC all agreed that's how the
     reduction
        would be accomplished.  Bill Redpath and I specifically noted
     during
        subsequent debate that three is the normal number of annual
     meetings,
        so having three meetings is not a reduction.
        p. 29, footnote 35 credits me with referring the LNC to RONR p.
     315.
        While that’s a perfectly applicable reference that confirms what
     I
        advised, I don’t recall actually looking the subject up in the
     index
        and referring the LNC to that (or any other) page number.  I only
        recall taking a quick look at the tables on the tinted pages to
        re-confirm that only a majority was required.
        p. 30, footnote 39 should instead say the Building Fund expenses
     were
        cut from $60,000 to $20,000, rather than from $60,000 to $40,000.
        p. 30, I don’t understand footnote 40 – It indicates “This
     represents
        150% of ballot access expenses as amended.”  We only left $22,000
     in
        ballot access expense, but the number associated with this
     footnote is
        the changed-by amount of $57,800, which is well above 150% of
     $22,000.
        If it was meant to refer to the $75,000 in the “as amended”
     column,
        that figure was at one point during the process 150% of the
        intermediate $50,000 expense figure, but we later removed another
        $28,000 from that to reduce it to $22,000, so the 150% ratio no
     longer
        exists in the final budget.
        p. 31, regarding line “40-Administrative Costs” in the budget
     table –
        This row is missing a figure in the center column to show the
     amount of
        the decrease from the proposed budget to the adopted budget, as
     was
        done for other categories which were amended.
        p. 31, footnote 44 documents only part of the net -$2,000
     change.  A
        previous Mattson motion increased it by $8,000, then part H of
     the
        Henchman motion reduced it by $10,000 for the net change.
        p. 33, footnote 56, I don’t understand the distinction being made
     that
        answering “present” was “counted as” an abstention.  It IS an
        abstention without any interpretation necessary.  RONR p. 421,
     “If he
        does not wish to vote, he answers present (or abstain).”
     Similarly,
        voting “yes” and voting “aye” carry the same meaning, but we
     don’t
        footnote to say a “yes” vote was counted as an “aye”.
        p. 35, Table of Appendices – Mr. Hagan is listed as the author of
        Appendix E, however Robert Kraus prepares the monthly financial
        reports.
        p. 35, Table of Appendices – Mr. Hewitt is listed as the author
     of
        Appendix R, however the body of the minutes indicate that Dr.
     Olsen
        submitted that report…probably because Mr. Hewitt has been just a
     wee
        bit busy with, I dunno, something...  :-)
        p. 37, public comments by Ms. Hogarth indicate that she promoted
     a
        fundraiser for the Libertarian Party of South Carolina, though I
        believe it should be North Carolina.
        p. 37, footnote 59 – Including this plug in our minutes could be
     an FEC
        violation if we are soliciting non-federal funds.  It looks as
     though
        North Carolina has recently started filing FEC reports, however
     even
        FEC-filing state affiliates can also raise non-federal funds.
     Has
        anyone confirmed whether this a fundraiser for federal funds that
     will
        be reported to the FEC?
        -Alicia
        On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 4:32 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
        <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
             [1] [icon_10_generic_list.png]  2018-12-01-02-MINUTES-V3.pdf
             [x_8px.png]
             Dr. Lark kindly sent me some suggestions off-list which I
     have
             incorporated into this draft.
             If anyone would like a word version, please let me know
     offlist.
             --
               In Liberty,

     [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
             Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
     Secretary
             - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
             Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
             Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
             at [3][2][3]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

     ====================================================================
          ===
             ==
             Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
          Re-Legalize
             All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal
     All
          Gun
             Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money *
     Abolish
          The
             Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS
     and
          Repeal
             the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
          Free-market
             Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government
     Schools
          To
             The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
             VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or
     [4][3][4]http://www.LP.org

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          References
             1.

     [4][5]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9m
     l2H
          /view?usp=drive_web
             2. mailto:[5]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
             3. [6][6]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
             4. [7][7]http://www.lp.org/
     References
        1. mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        2. [9]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
        3. [10]http://www.LP.org/
        4.
     [11]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2
     H/view?usp=drive_web
        5. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        6. [13]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
        7. [14]http://www.lp.org/

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   Secretary - [15]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
   at [16]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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   Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
   All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
   Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
   Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
   the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
   Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
   The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
   VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [17]http://www.LP.org
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References

   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   3. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
   4. http://www.LP.org/
   5. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2H
   6. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
   7. http://www.lp.org/
   8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   9. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  10. http://www.LP.org/
  11. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2H/view?usp=drive_web
  12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  13. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
  14. http://www.lp.org/
  15. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  16. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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