[Lnc-business] DRAFT MINUTES from December 1-2 2018 meeting version 3
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jan 10 16:55:53 EST 2019
Thank you I will take a look.
It was though South Carolina Susan was promoting as a favor
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Below are my comments on version 3 of the draft December LNC minutes.
> APPENDICES:
> Appendix F, Secretary’s Report
> 1) It appears that this is version 4 of the Secretary’s report, though
> there is a version 5, which removed the COC from the list of
> “Appointments Remaining” and added a one-page “appended correction”.
> 2) Version 5 of the report still says “version 4” in the footer
> 3) Version 5 still reports in the “Appointments Remaining” list that
> the Ballot Access Committee was lacking a chair, though it already had
> one.
> 4) The “appended correction” page in version 5 lists 11/9/18 in the
> “Date” column for the COC appointments, though the description of that
> item indicates the appointment was made on 11/1/18.
> 5) The footer on page 7 of version 5 indicates that it is “page 1 of
> 6”, though it is page 7 of 7 (assuming you will delete the blank page
> 8).
> Appendix S contains version 2 of the Region 5 report, though as noted
> in footnote 16 on p. 19 of the minutes, Dr. Lark submitted a version 3
> with information from South Carolina
> MAIN BODY:
> p. 10, second paragraph under “Treasurer’s Report” – It indicates that
> Mr. Kraus reported $12,300 of unrestricted cash. It’s not a large
> dollar amount difference, however Mr. Kraus said $11,700.
> p. 10 - The motion moved and later withdrawn by Mr. Redpath was not a
> motion to entirely eliminate the Wiener Rule as the draft indicates.
> It would have deleted all but the first sentence.
> p. 17 contains a sentence, “Without objection, Mr. Goldstein moved to
> enter executive session with Ms. Daugherty present.” My notes indicate
> that there was no objection to allowing Ms. Daugherty to be present,
> but I believe you voted against the motion to enter executive session
> so that it was not without objection.
> p. 17 - It is later noted what time we emerged from executive session,
> but you could also note that we entered executive session at 4:55 p.m.
> p. 18, under “Membership Support Committee” – An “Easter egg” has not
> yet been removed from version 3.
> p. 19, under “Region 5 Report” – The draft indicates that Ms. Hogarth
> provided a report focusing on South Carolina, though it should be North
> Carolina.
> p. 20, under “Region 8 Report” – It was Dan Fishman, rather than Mr.
> Lyons, who provided additional information regarding Massachusetts.
> p. 21, under “Executive Session”, it is later noted what time we
> emerged from executive session, but you could also note that we entered
> executive session at 11:00 a.m.
> p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Nekhaila offered a substitute motion as
> follows: …” However, his motion was not a substitute for the entirety
> of item F. It was clarified that it only replaced the first portion
> and the second portion would be retained regarding encumbrances, etc.
> p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Sarwark indicated that the LNC would be in
> recess…” This sounds like the chair unilaterally declared a recess.
> The chair inquired whether there was any objection, and there was none.
> p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Smith moved to close debate on all pending
> questions.” He only said “call the question” without saying “on all
> pending questions”, and we only proceeded to a vote on the pending
> amendments but not to a vote on the pending main motion.
> p. 26, regarding the bullet list of debate points on item C –
> Obviously, I have advocated that this degree of debate shouldn’t be in
> the minutes, but if it’s going to be there I think at least one
> particularly substantive point was not included in the list though it
> was mentioned at least twice during debate, that the motion only cuts
> the planned expenditure line without also cutting the matching
> assumption that $28,000 revenue would be raised to cover that expense.
> p. 26 indicates that, “Without objection, Mr. Merced moved to close
> debate on all pending questions.” Again, we merely closed debate on
> all pending amendments, not including the pending main motion.
> p. 28, footnote 33 asserts that, “This would be accomplished by
> reducing the number of in-person LNC meetings to three (3) and cutting
> out all frills such as meals.” This is an example where something said
> during debate wasn’t correct, yet it is stated in the minutes as though
> it is fact, and as though the LNC all agreed that's how the reduction
> would be accomplished. Bill Redpath and I specifically noted during
> subsequent debate that three is the normal number of annual meetings,
> so having three meetings is not a reduction.
> p. 29, footnote 35 credits me with referring the LNC to RONR p. 315.
> While that’s a perfectly applicable reference that confirms what I
> advised, I don’t recall actually looking the subject up in the index
> and referring the LNC to that (or any other) page number. I only
> recall taking a quick look at the tables on the tinted pages to
> re-confirm that only a majority was required.
> p. 30, footnote 39 should instead say the Building Fund expenses were
> cut from $60,000 to $20,000, rather than from $60,000 to $40,000.
> p. 30, I don’t understand footnote 40 – It indicates “This represents
> 150% of ballot access expenses as amended.” We only left $22,000 in
> ballot access expense, but the number associated with this footnote is
> the changed-by amount of $57,800, which is well above 150% of $22,000.
> If it was meant to refer to the $75,000 in the “as amended” column,
> that figure was at one point during the process 150% of the
> intermediate $50,000 expense figure, but we later removed another
> $28,000 from that to reduce it to $22,000, so the 150% ratio no longer
> exists in the final budget.
> p. 31, regarding line “40-Administrative Costs” in the budget table –
> This row is missing a figure in the center column to show the amount of
> the decrease from the proposed budget to the adopted budget, as was
> done for other categories which were amended.
> p. 31, footnote 44 documents only part of the net -$2,000 change. A
> previous Mattson motion increased it by $8,000, then part H of the
> Henchman motion reduced it by $10,000 for the net change.
> p. 33, footnote 56, I don’t understand the distinction being made that
> answering “present” was “counted as” an abstention. It IS an
> abstention without any interpretation necessary. RONR p. 421, “If he
> does not wish to vote, he answers present (or abstain).” Similarly,
> voting “yes” and voting “aye” carry the same meaning, but we don’t
> footnote to say a “yes” vote was counted as an “aye”.
> p. 35, Table of Appendices – Mr. Hagan is listed as the author of
> Appendix E, however Robert Kraus prepares the monthly financial
> reports.
> p. 35, Table of Appendices – Mr. Hewitt is listed as the author of
> Appendix R, however the body of the minutes indicate that Dr. Olsen
> submitted that report…probably because Mr. Hewitt has been just a wee
> bit busy with, I dunno, something... :-)
> p. 37, public comments by Ms. Hogarth indicate that she promoted a
> fundraiser for the Libertarian Party of South Carolina, though I
> believe it should be North Carolina.
> p. 37, footnote 59 – Including this plug in our minutes could be an FEC
> violation if we are soliciting non-federal funds. It looks as though
> North Carolina has recently started filing FEC reports, however even
> FEC-filing state affiliates can also raise non-federal funds. Has
> anyone confirmed whether this a fundraiser for federal funds that will
> be reported to the FEC?
> -Alicia
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 4:32 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> [1] [icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-12-01-02-MINUTES-V3.pdf
> [x_8px.png]
> Dr. Lark kindly sent me some suggestions off-list which I have
> incorporated into this draft.
> If anyone would like a word version, please let me know offlist.
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> The
> Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and
> Repeal
> the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
> Free-market
> Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools
> To
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> References
> 1.
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> 2. mailto:[5]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 3. [6]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 4. [7]http://www.lp.org/
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 3. http://www.LP.org/
> 4.
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2H/view?usp=drive_web
> 5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 6. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 7. http://www.lp.org/
>
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Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
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Eliminate Regulation *
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Thank you I will take a look.
It was though South Carolina Susan was promoting as a favor
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Below are my comments on version 3 of the draft December LNC
minutes.
APPENDICES:
Appendix F, Secretary’s Report
1) It appears that this is version 4 of the Secretary’s report,
though
there is a version 5, which removed the COC from the list of
“Appointments Remaining” and added a one-page “appended
correction”.
2) Version 5 of the report still says “version 4” in the footer
3) Version 5 still reports in the “Appointments Remaining” list
that
the Ballot Access Committee was lacking a chair, though it
already had
one.
4) The “appended correction” page in version 5 lists 11/9/18 in
the
“Date” column for the COC appointments, though the description of
that
item indicates the appointment was made on 11/1/18.
5) The footer on page 7 of version 5 indicates that it is “page 1
of
6”, though it is page 7 of 7 (assuming you will delete the blank
page
8).
Appendix S contains version 2 of the Region 5 report, though as
noted
in footnote 16 on p. 19 of the minutes, Dr. Lark submitted a
version 3
with information from South Carolina
MAIN BODY:
p. 10, second paragraph under “Treasurer’s Report” – It indicates
that
Mr. Kraus reported $12,300 of unrestricted cash. It’s not a
large
dollar amount difference, however Mr. Kraus said $11,700.
p. 10 - The motion moved and later withdrawn by Mr. Redpath was
not a
motion to entirely eliminate the Wiener Rule as the draft
indicates.
It would have deleted all but the first sentence.
p. 17 contains a sentence, “Without objection, Mr. Goldstein
moved to
enter executive session with Ms. Daugherty present.” My notes
indicate
that there was no objection to allowing Ms. Daugherty to be
present,
but I believe you voted against the motion to enter executive
session
so that it was not without objection.
p. 17 - It is later noted what time we emerged from executive
session,
but you could also note that we entered executive session at 4:55
p.m.
p. 18, under “Membership Support Committee” – An “Easter egg” has
not
yet been removed from version 3.
p. 19, under “Region 5 Report” – The draft indicates that Ms.
Hogarth
provided a report focusing on South Carolina, though it should be
North
Carolina.
p. 20, under “Region 8 Report” – It was Dan Fishman, rather than
Mr.
Lyons, who provided additional information regarding
Massachusetts.
p. 21, under “Executive Session”, it is later noted what time we
emerged from executive session, but you could also note that we
entered
executive session at 11:00 a.m.
p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Nekhaila offered a substitute motion
as
follows: …” However, his motion was not a substitute for the
entirety
of item F. It was clarified that it only replaced the first
portion
and the second portion would be retained regarding encumbrances,
etc.
p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Sarwark indicated that the LNC would
be in
recess…” This sounds like the chair unilaterally declared a
recess.
The chair inquired whether there was any objection, and there was
none.
p. 25 indicates that, “Mr. Smith moved to close debate on all
pending
questions.” He only said “call the question” without saying “on
all
pending questions”, and we only proceeded to a vote on the
pending
amendments but not to a vote on the pending main motion.
p. 26, regarding the bullet list of debate points on item C –
Obviously, I have advocated that this degree of debate shouldn’t
be in
the minutes, but if it’s going to be there I think at least one
particularly substantive point was not included in the list
though it
was mentioned at least twice during debate, that the motion only
cuts
the planned expenditure line without also cutting the matching
assumption that $28,000 revenue would be raised to cover that
expense.
p. 26 indicates that, “Without objection, Mr. Merced moved to
close
debate on all pending questions.” Again, we merely closed debate
on
all pending amendments, not including the pending main motion.
p. 28, footnote 33 asserts that, “This would be accomplished by
reducing the number of in-person LNC meetings to three (3) and
cutting
out all frills such as meals.” This is an example where
something said
during debate wasn’t correct, yet it is stated in the minutes as
though
it is fact, and as though the LNC all agreed that's how the
reduction
would be accomplished. Bill Redpath and I specifically noted
during
subsequent debate that three is the normal number of annual
meetings,
so having three meetings is not a reduction.
p. 29, footnote 35 credits me with referring the LNC to RONR p.
315.
While that’s a perfectly applicable reference that confirms what
I
advised, I don’t recall actually looking the subject up in the
index
and referring the LNC to that (or any other) page number. I only
recall taking a quick look at the tables on the tinted pages to
re-confirm that only a majority was required.
p. 30, footnote 39 should instead say the Building Fund expenses
were
cut from $60,000 to $20,000, rather than from $60,000 to $40,000.
p. 30, I don’t understand footnote 40 – It indicates “This
represents
150% of ballot access expenses as amended.” We only left $22,000
in
ballot access expense, but the number associated with this
footnote is
the changed-by amount of $57,800, which is well above 150% of
$22,000.
If it was meant to refer to the $75,000 in the “as amended”
column,
that figure was at one point during the process 150% of the
intermediate $50,000 expense figure, but we later removed another
$28,000 from that to reduce it to $22,000, so the 150% ratio no
longer
exists in the final budget.
p. 31, regarding line “40-Administrative Costs” in the budget
table –
This row is missing a figure in the center column to show the
amount of
the decrease from the proposed budget to the adopted budget, as
was
done for other categories which were amended.
p. 31, footnote 44 documents only part of the net -$2,000
change. A
previous Mattson motion increased it by $8,000, then part H of
the
Henchman motion reduced it by $10,000 for the net change.
p. 33, footnote 56, I don’t understand the distinction being made
that
answering “present” was “counted as” an abstention. It IS an
abstention without any interpretation necessary. RONR p. 421,
“If he
does not wish to vote, he answers present (or abstain).”
Similarly,
voting “yes” and voting “aye” carry the same meaning, but we
don’t
footnote to say a “yes” vote was counted as an “aye”.
p. 35, Table of Appendices – Mr. Hagan is listed as the author of
Appendix E, however Robert Kraus prepares the monthly financial
reports.
p. 35, Table of Appendices – Mr. Hewitt is listed as the author
of
Appendix R, however the body of the minutes indicate that Dr.
Olsen
submitted that report…probably because Mr. Hewitt has been just a
wee
bit busy with, I dunno, something... :-)
p. 37, public comments by Ms. Hogarth indicate that she promoted
a
fundraiser for the Libertarian Party of South Carolina, though I
believe it should be North Carolina.
p. 37, footnote 59 – Including this plug in our minutes could be
an FEC
violation if we are soliciting non-federal funds. It looks as
though
North Carolina has recently started filing FEC reports, however
even
FEC-filing state affiliates can also raise non-federal funds.
Has
anyone confirmed whether this a fundraiser for federal funds that
will
be reported to the FEC?
-Alicia
On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 4:32 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
[1] [icon_10_generic_list.png] 2018-12-01-02-MINUTES-V3.pdf
[x_8px.png]
Dr. Lark kindly sent me some suggestions off-list which I
have
incorporated into this draft.
If anyone would like a word version, please let me know
offlist.
--
In Liberty,
[uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [3][2][3]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal
All
Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money *
Abolish
The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS
and
Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government
Schools
To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or
[4][3][4]http://www.LP.org
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References
1.
[4][5]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9m
l2H
/view?usp=drive_web
2. mailto:[5]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
3. [6][6]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
4. [7][7]http://www.lp.org/
References
1. mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. [9]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
3. [10]http://www.LP.org/
4.
[11]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2
H/view?usp=drive_web
5. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
6. [13]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
7. [14]http://www.lp.org/
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[uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
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Secretary - [15]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [16]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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==
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [17]http://www.LP.org
=======================================================================
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References
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3. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
4. http://www.LP.org/
5. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2H
6. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
7. http://www.lp.org/
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
10. http://www.LP.org/
11. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVHIl7tJgIx6CnG-Rv-4TsoDS_m9ml2H/view?usp=drive_web
12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
13. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
14. http://www.lp.org/
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