[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

Mon Feb 4 17:22:39 EST 2019

I think those are worthy points Jeff - to stay away from the useless
right/left tug.  Not enough to persuade me, but certainly persuasive.

We do spend far too much time as a barnacle on the left oar or the right
oar.

Staff does successfully use our resolutions for fundraising and press
releases so I support them if only for that.  You never know what is going
to stick that is thrown out there.

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 3:16 PM Jeff Lyons - LNC (8A) <jeff.lyons at lp.org>
wrote:

> Mr. ODonnell abstains, I second everything he said and vote No.
>
>      There are better ways to support the fundraising mission and draw
> attention to our platforn and ideas than by participating in the Two-Party
> circus.  This debate on "The Wall" is hotly contested by the radically
> partisan for the sake of partisanship, it is largely symbollic and
> theatric, and I think it's a huge distraction from real issues.  It is a
> volatile and counter-productive topic to engage in.
>
>      Lets focus on promoting our own ideas and debates, not participating
> in the ones the Olde Parties and their media controls.  Let's stop
> attempting to do this through superficial resolutions.  Lets focus on
> building the party infrastructure that we will need to support thousands of
> Libertarian candidates in 2020, including what should be the largest and
> most successful Presidential campaign we have ever fielded.
>
> -Jeff Lyons
> R8A
>
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> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 4:29 PM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business"
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I vote yes.
>>
>> While I think the body was wrong in its statements of such and such being
>> in the platform, retaliatory voting is childish and unless those folks now
>> post-hoc withdraw their support from the property resolution, disingenuous.
>>
>>
>> It is nonsense that time is wasted.  It gives our staff items to promote.
>> Our resolutions are used to fund-raise. The only time taken is the
>> Secretary’s and this Secretary doesn’t mind in the slightest.
>>
>> An eye for an eye leaves both men blind.  Get your digs in during debate
>> but voting no because a prior resolution list is not appropriate.
>>
>> Our members deserve better than revenge voting.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:34 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I vote no.
>> >
>> > (Also, I second everything Justin said.)
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2019-02-04 14:38, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > I will abstain from this motion.
>> > >
>> > > Beyond my opinion on the matter, the stances of the Libertarian Party
>> > > regarding private property, the use of law, and immigration, are
>> > > already well stated within our platform, and do not need reiteration
>> > > in the form of a resolution. This course of action has previously been
>> > > condemned by members of this very body when it came to resolutions
>> > > we've discussed in the past. The discussion of this and other
>> > > resolutions at the current time are unnecessary distractions from the
>> > > current business of the party and of this board, which should be
>> > > working towards growth, outreach, and settling our financial debt, as
>> > > well as supporting our affiliates and candidates.
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > Yours in Liberty,
>> > >
>> > > Justin O'Donnell
>> > > LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
>> > > www.justinodonnell.me
>> > >
>> > > Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>> > >
>> > > On 2019-02-04 00:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > >>
>> > >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 10, 2019 at 11:
>> > >> 59:59 pm
>> > >> Pacific time.
>> > >>
>> > >> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillipos
>> > >>
>> > >> =============================================
>> > >>
>> > >> Motion:
>> > >>
>> > >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that the only proper role of
>> > >> law is
>> > >> in the protection of the natural rights of individuals from the
>> > >> initiation
>> > >> of force or fraud;
>> > >>
>> > >> WHEREAS, no individual has a natural right to prohibit consensual
>> > >> visitation to or consensual habitation on the private property of
>> > >> another
>> > >> individual;
>> > >>
>> > >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that eminent domain is a
>> > >> violation
>> > >> of private property rights;
>> > >>
>> > >> WHEREAS, we affirm the right of individuals to set whatever standards
>> > >> they
>> > >> wish for entry onto their own private property but not that owned by
>> > >> others;
>> > >>
>> > >> WHEREAS, we believe that all individuals have the same natural rights
>> > >> regardless of their citizenship;
>> > >>
>> > >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds that any concerns related to the
>> > >> border, valid or otherwise, are better addressed by removing the root
>> > >> causes of such concerns.  Actions such as ending the War on Drugs,
>> > >> decriminalization of sex work, ending the welfare state, and allowing
>> > >> free
>> > >> trade would not only address those concerns but do so in a budget
>> > >> positive
>> > >> way rather than costing billions;
>> > >>
>> > >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party acknowledges that economic freedom
>> > >> demands
>> > >> the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across
>> > >> national borders:
>> > >>
>> > >> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party condemns and
>> > >> opposes efforts to build a governmental border wall, be it through
>> > >> Congress
>> > >> or gross abuse of authority in an ill-founded declaration of
>> > >> emergency.
>> > >>
>> > >> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party supports the natural
>> > >> right of freedom of movement of all peaceful people, for any reason,
>> > >> subject only to rights of other individuals to control their own
>> > >> privately
>> > >> owned property.
>> > >> =============================================
>> > >>
>> > >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> > >> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to the
>> > >> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>> > >> manual
>> > >> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>> > >>
>> > >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> > >>
>> > >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> > >> Caryn.Ann.
>> > >> Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> >
>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page atfacebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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