[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

Mon Feb 4 17:44:47 EST 2019

I see your point Jeff, I just don’t think this does any harm and can be
used by staff to stir up press.

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 3:35 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:

> You replied to *me*.
>
> I see your snark is still full on.  A pity.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2019-02-04 17:16, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Quicker than I thought.  I should have took the bet.  My bet was two hours.
>
> One and done wasn't speaking to you.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 3:04 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> No idea what you're going on about.  I'd planned to vote no on any
>> resolution.
>>
>> Justin is the one who wanted to do tit for tat, and I called him on it
>> out on FB.
>>
>> My agreeing with him should've been clarified as agreeing with:
>>
>> "...The discussion of this and other
>> > resolutions at the current time are unnecessary distractions from the
>> > current business of the party and of this board, which should be
>> > working towards growth, outreach, and settling our financial debt, as
>> > well as supporting our affiliates and candidates.
>> >
>>
>> Also, knock off the accusations and smear tactics of other LNC members,
>> when they don't vote the way you want.  There's no need to jab at other
>> members of the LNC each time you don't like their votes.
>> -
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>> On 2019-02-04 16:29, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> I vote yes.
>>
>> While I think the body was wrong in its statements of such and such being
>> in the platform, retaliatory voting is childish and unless those folks now
>> post-hoc withdraw their support from the property resolution, disingenuous.
>>
>>
>> It is nonsense that time is wasted.  It gives our staff items to
>> promote.  Our resolutions are used to fund-raise. The only time taken is
>> the Secretary's and this Secretary doesn't mind in the slightest.
>>
>> An eye for an eye leaves both men blind.  Get your digs in during debate
>> but voting no because a prior resolution list is not appropriate.
>>
>> Our members deserve better than revenge voting.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:34 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I vote no.
>>>
>>> (Also, I second everything Justin said.)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-02-04 14:38, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > I will abstain from this motion.
>>> >
>>> > Beyond my opinion on the matter, the stances of the Libertarian Party
>>> > regarding private property, the use of law, and immigration, are
>>> > already well stated within our platform, and do not need reiteration
>>> > in the form of a resolution. This course of action has previously been
>>> > condemned by members of this very body when it came to resolutions
>>> > we've discussed in the past. The discussion of this and other
>>> > resolutions at the current time are unnecessary distractions from the
>>> > current business of the party and of this board, which should be
>>> > working towards growth, outreach, and settling our financial debt, as
>>> > well as supporting our affiliates and candidates.
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> > Yours in Liberty,
>>> >
>>> > Justin O'Donnell
>>> > LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> > Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
>>> > www.justinodonnell.me
>>> >
>>> > Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>>> >
>>> > On 2019-02-04 00:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>> >>
>>> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 10, 2019 at 11:
>>> >> 59:59 pm
>>> >> Pacific time.
>>> >>
>>> >> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillipos
>>> >>
>>> >> =============================================
>>> >>
>>> >> Motion:
>>> >>
>>> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that the only proper role of
>>> >> law is
>>> >> in the protection of the natural rights of individuals from the
>>> >> initiation
>>> >> of force or fraud;
>>> >>
>>> >> WHEREAS, no individual has a natural right to prohibit consensual
>>> >> visitation to or consensual habitation on the private property of
>>> >> another
>>> >> individual;
>>> >>
>>> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that eminent domain is a
>>> >> violation
>>> >> of private property rights;
>>> >>
>>> >> WHEREAS, we affirm the right of individuals to set whatever standards
>>> >> they
>>> >> wish for entry onto their own private property but not that owned by
>>> >> others;
>>> >>
>>> >> WHEREAS, we believe that all individuals have the same natural rights
>>> >> regardless of their citizenship;
>>> >>
>>> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds that any concerns related to the
>>> >> border, valid or otherwise, are better addressed by removing the root
>>> >> causes of such concerns.  Actions such as ending the War on Drugs,
>>> >> decriminalization of sex work, ending the welfare state, and allowing
>>> >> free
>>> >> trade would not only address those concerns but do so in a budget
>>> >> positive
>>> >> way rather than costing billions;
>>> >>
>>> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party acknowledges that economic freedom
>>> >> demands
>>> >> the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across
>>> >> national borders:
>>> >>
>>> >> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party condemns and
>>> >> opposes efforts to build a governmental border wall, be it through
>>> >> Congress
>>> >> or gross abuse of authority in an ill-founded declaration of
>>> >> emergency.
>>> >>
>>> >> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party supports the natural
>>> >> right of freedom of movement of all peaceful people, for any reason,
>>> >> subject only to rights of other individuals to control their own
>>> >> privately
>>> >> owned property.
>>> >> =============================================
>>> >>
>>> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>> >> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to the
>>> >> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>>> >> manual
>>> >> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>>> >>
>>> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> *  In Liberty,*
>>> >>
>>> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>>> >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
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>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
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>> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
> --

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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