[Lnc-business] [LNCDiscussPublic] Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [Lnc-votes] Weld Developments

Tue Feb 5 18:30:33 EST 2019

I agree with Starchild for the most part.  He left, he is gone, and that is that.  Let’s focus on what we need to do to grow the party, and recruit candidates for 2019 and 2020.

HOWEVER, maybe we could take this as a learning exercise.  IF he feels that being in the GOP will be better for him because the establishment would NEVER screw him over?  Well, that part is not on us, but there are things we need to do better, and not because we do a crappy job, it is because of the reality we face on the ground.  To be more competitive, money is a huge factor…  We have the best message in the history of electoral politics, and yet, in my district, the man who won spent over $10,000,000 to tell the voters that he was not Scott Wallace and littering the county with his yard signs.  What has been selling is FEAR.  It is the only play the establishment has, and yet, they are successful because it has a lot of money to sell it.

Yes, he lied to us.  He did some good as well.  Nearly $6,000 was given to the Sharpe Campaign, and he raised money for other LP candidates as well.  Let’s not walk forward being pissed off, Let’s walk forward doing the one thing that will make him regret his decision.

Let’s SUCCEED!   Let’s Succeed in raising the money we need, succeed in achieving ballot access for our candidates without sweating it so much.  Let’s start winning elections, because we have the tools, and we have the talent!  Jeff showed the way in California, let’s follow his lead and change the reality on the ground here in our nation!  I am working on raising money for ballot access and campaigns here in PA.  There is a great deal to do and not much time to make it all happen, AND YET…   we can.

Just a couple thoughts on this Tuesday evening.  Have a wonderful night folks, I will see you at the next LNC meeting!

Sincerely,

Steve Scheetz

I think he will do more good in the GOP.  And he still lied to us just like he lied to New York.

I care more about the betrayal of our dejegates than being rough on Weld.  

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:19 PM Starchild sfdreamer at earthlink.net <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net>  [GrassrootsLibertarians] <GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

I hear you Caryn Ann. Maybe nix the "expression of disappointment"? Or express our disappointment that he doesn't have a stronger commitment to libertarianism? But we dodged a bullet here, even if saving the LP wasn't his motive. Going after him too harshly would convey the impression that we still haven't recognized and embraced this as a positive development, not a negative one. It's also possible, as I think someone mentioned in this thread, that Weld may yet do some good for ballot access, etc., within the GOP, if we keep a channel of communications open.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

On Feb 4, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>  [LNCDiscussPublic] wrote:

But for his two-faced lie to our delegates I’d agree.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:03 PM Starchild sfdreamer at earthlink.net <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net>  [GrassrootsLibertarians] <GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com <mailto:GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

I agree with Tim here. I'm not a Bill Weld fan, but I see no need to slam the door on his butt on the way out.

High-profile candidates like Weld who aren't solidly libertarian actually do us a favor by leaving the Libertarian Party. Far better that he go and compete in the Republican primary, where he will be able to argue for freedom in contrast with other candidates who are less libertarian than he is, than that we run the risk of him supplanting candidates with better views to become the LP nominee and betray our principles to the lasting detriment of the party and the larger libertarian movement and cause of freedom for which we stand.

No one familiar with Weld's record should be particularly surprised by this opportunism. Let's move on, wish him well in promoting freedom as a Republican to whatever limited extent that party will embrace it, and let any egg on our faces serve as a valuable lesson to Libertarians not to succumb to the siren songs of big names, big money, establishment credentials, etc.., next time such a candidate comes along.

Love & Liberty,

((( starchild )))

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On Feb 4, 2019, at 8:07 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-votes at hq.lp.org>  wrote:

Here is one source: https://commonwealthmagazine.org/politics/weld-rejoins-the-republican-ranks/

While party members may feel betrayed, I don't see an advantage in harshly condemning him.. An expression of disappointment and wishing him well in future endeavors would be appropriate.

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On 2019-02-04 18:47, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

I'd like to see the media source and verification of the source before

acting. If this is true, I support having a statement ready if he announced

in a few days.

Richard Longstreth

Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)

Libertarian National Committee

richard.longstreth at lp.org <mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org> 

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On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 19:36 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <

lnc-business at hq.lp..org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org>  wrote:

How many voters do we win over by condemning people for not being

registered Libertarians?  Don't forget that Gary Johnson was our nominee

after he ran in the GOP primary earlier in the same year.

-Alicia

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <

lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> > wrote:

> I would support such a resolution.  Our purpose statement prioritizes us

> being a unique political identity.

> 

> Also this very arguably disqualifies him from our nomination if it were

to

> take place today.

> 

> This is, in my eyes, a betrayal.

> 

> I’m hoping there is some computer glitch.

> 

> 

> 

> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 7:02 PM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business <

> lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> > wrote:

> 

> > LNC Colleagues,

> >

> > Boston media reported today that a town clerk had leaked information

> > that Bill Weld has changed his voter registration from Libertarian to

> > Republican. This is in advance of the Governor's scheduled appearance

at

> > Politics and Eggs at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics on 02/15.

> > This Breakfast at NHIOP has long been considered a must-attend event

for

> > presidential candidates, and many are encouraged to announce their runs

> > at this event. Should Governor Weld intend to do so, I believe it would

> > be prudent that our leadership and staff be well prepared for the

> > inevitable media inquiries regarding the switch. I also believe a

> > statement from the Chair, or the LNC as a whole would be beneficial

> > given the tumultuous nature of our membership.

> >

> > At the very least, a Press release seems appropriate, although, in this

> > case, a resolution from the LNC condemning the actions would have my

> > full support as well.

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Yours in Liberty,

> >

> > Justin O'Donnell

> > LNC Region 8 Representative

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> >

> > Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !

> >

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