[Lnc-business] [lpradicals] Re: [LNCDiscussPublic] Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [Lnc-votes] Weld Developments
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Feb 6 14:28:44 EST 2019
I do not think framing the concerns below as a purity purge is nuanced or
fair. Neither is about kindness (Starchild is the kindest person I know).
I’m finding that the word “purity” is an LP shibboleth to avoid hard
discussion when what we are really talking about is violence.
However, the “celebration” mentioned below had to do with political
opportunism not purity.
Not everything can be papered over.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:28 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> Thank you for reaching out. I want to see our party electing and
> re-electing Libertarians, and the only way I see that happening is with
> a party that is much larger with more members. Your stated goal of
> excluding, or celebrating the exclusion, of those who are not pure
> libertarians on every issue runs counter to that objective of mine. My
> day job would be extraordinarily easier with even one Libertarian at the
> negotiating table in every state legislature committee, and bullying
> anyone who isn't apex 100/100 just guarantees we don't grow.
>
> I do recognize there is a difference between joining and being our
> standard-bearer, between keeping pledges and breaking them, and that
> people who join shouldn't then demand that we become non-libertarian.
> But it's undeniable that many Libertarians are brutish and nasty to one
> another, and a poisonous and unwelcoming environment makes the jobs of
> our candidate recruiters, fundraisers, and membership staff much harder.
> I try to be respectful to everyone, including those with whom I
> disagree, and you won't hear me calling for any purges of the impure.
>
> JBH
>
> ------------
> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> LNC Member (At-Large)
> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>
> On 2019-02-05 02:59, Roderick Long wrote:
> > I agree with Starchild in not being disappointed. Nonlibertarian or
> > semi-libertarian opportunists leaving the party for the same reasons
> > of political strategy that led them to join in the first place is
> > neither unexpected nor regrettable. Better to have them grow the
> > libertarian-ish wing of a mainstream party than an authoritarian-ish
> > wing of a libertarian party.
> >
> > R.
> >
> > -------------------------
> > FROM: "Starchild sfdreamer at earthlink.net [lpradicals]"
> > <lpradicals at yahoogroups.com>
> > TO: LNCDiscussPublic at yahoogroups.com
> > CC: GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com; Alex Merced
> > <alex.merced at lp.org>; Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>; Bill
> > Redpath <wredpath at his.com>; Caryn Ann Harlos <secretary at lp.org>; Craig
> > Bowden <craig.bowden at lp.org>; Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna at lp.org>;
> > Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>; Erin Adams
> > <erin.adams at lp.org>; Jeff Hewitt <Jeffrey.Hewitt at lp.org>; Jeff Lyons
> > <jeff.lyons at lp.org>; Jim Lark <jwlark at lp.org>; Joe Bishop-Henchman
> > <joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org>; John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>;
> > Joshua D. Smith <joshua.smith at lp.org>; Kenneth Brent Olsen
> > <kenneth.olsen at lp.org>; LP Radical Caucus
> > <lpradicals at yahoogroups.com>; Libertarian National Committee list
> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>; Nick Sarwark <chair at lp.org>; Phillip
> > Anderson <phillip.anderson at lp.org>; Richard Longstreth
> > <richard.longstreth at lp.org>; Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>;
> > Steven Nekhaila <Steven.Nekhaila at lp.org>; Susan Hogarth
> > <susan.hogarth at lp.org>; Tim Hagan <tim.hagan at lp.org>; Victoria Paige
> > Lee <victoria.paige.lee at lp.org>; Whitney Bilyeu
> > <whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>; lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com
> > SENT: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 12:19 AM
> > SUBJECT: [lpradicals] Re: [LNCDiscussPublic] Re:
> > [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Weld
> > Developments
> >
> > I hear you Caryn Ann. Maybe nix the "expression of disappointment"?
> > Or express our disappointment that he doesn't have a stronger
> > commitment to libertarianism? But we dodged a bullet here, even if
> > saving the LP wasn't his motive. Going after him too harshly would
> > convey the impression that we still haven't recognized and embraced
> > this as a _POSITIVE_ development, not a negative one. It's also
> > possible, as I think someone mentioned in this thread, that Weld may
> > yet do some good for ballot access, etc., within the GOP, if we keep a
> > channel of communications open.
> >
> > Love & Liberty,
> >
> > ((( starchild )))
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > [LNCDiscussPublic] wrote:
> >
> >> But for his two-faced lie to our delegates I’d agree.
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:03 PM Starchild sfdreamer at earthlink.net
> >> [GrassrootsLibertarians] <GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with Tim here. I'm not a Bill Weld fan, but I see no need
> >> to slam the door on his butt on the way out.
> >>
> >> High-profile candidates like Weld who aren't solidly libertarian
> >> actually _DO US A FAVOR_ by leaving the Libertarian Party. Far
> >> better that he go and compete in the Republican primary, where he
> >> will be able to argue _FOR_ freedom in contrast with other
> >> candidates who are less libertarian than he is, than that we run the
> >> risk of him supplanting candidates with better views to become the
> >> LP nominee and betray our principles to the lasting detriment of the
> >> party and the larger libertarian movement and cause of freedom for
> >> which we stand.
> >>
> >> No one familiar with Weld's record should be particularly surprised
> >> by this opportunism. Let's move on, wish him well in promoting
> >> freedom as a Republican to whatever limited extent that party will
> >> embrace it, and let any egg on our faces serve as a valuable lesson
> >> to Libertarians not to succumb to the siren songs of big names, big
> >> money, establishment credentials, etc.., next time such a candidate
> >> comes along.
> >>
> >> Love & Liberty,
> >>
> >> ((( starchild )))
> >> Outreach Director, Libertarian Party of San Francisco*
> >> (415) 625-FREE
> >> starchild at lp.org
> >> @StarchildSF
> >>
> >> *Views expressed here are my own and not necessarily those of the
> >> LPSF
> >>
> >> On Feb 4, 2019, at 8:07 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
> >>
> >> Here is one source:
> >>
> >
> https://commonwealthmagazine.org/politics/weld-rejoins-the-republican-ranks/
> >>
> >> While party members may feel betrayed, I don't see an advantage in
> >> harshly condemning him. An expression of disappointment and wishing
> >> him well in future endeavors would be appropriate.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Tim Hagan
> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>
> >> On 2019-02-04 18:47, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> I'd like to see the media source and verification of the source
> >> before
> >> acting. If this is true, I support having a statement ready if he
> >> announced
> >> in a few days.
> >> Richard Longstreth
> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >> 931.538..9300
> >
> >>> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 19:36 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> >>
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
> >> How many voters do we win over by condemning people for not being
> >
> >>> registered Libertarians? Don't forget that Gary Johnson was our
> >>> nominee
> >
> >>> after he ran in the GOP primary earlier in the same year.
> >
> >>> -Alicia
> >
> >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >>>> I would support such a resolution. Our purpose statement
> >>> prioritizes us
> >
> >>>> being a unique political identity.
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> Also this very arguably disqualifies him from our nomination if
> >>> it were
> >
> >>> to
> >
> >>>> take place today.
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> This is, in my eyes, a betrayal.
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> I’m hoping there is some computer glitch.
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 7:02 PM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business
> >>> <
> >
> >>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>> LNC Colleagues,
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> Boston media reported today that a town clerk had leaked
> >>> information
> >
> >>>>> that Bill Weld has changed his voter registration from
> >>> Libertarian to
> >
> >>>>> Republican. This is in advance of the Governor's scheduled
> >>> appearance
> >
> >>> at
> >
> >>>>> Politics and Eggs at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics
> >>> on 02/15.
> >
> >>>>> This Breakfast at NHIOP has long been considered a must-attend
> >>> event
> >
> >>> for
> >
> >>>>> presidential candidates, and many are encouraged to announce
> >>> their runs
> >
> >>>>> at this event. Should Governor Weld intend to do so, I believe
> >>> it would
> >
> >>>>> be prudent that our leadership and staff be well prepared for
> >>> the
> >
> >>>>> inevitable media inquiries regarding the switch. I also
> >>> believe a
> >
> >>>>> statement from the Chair, or the LNC as a whole would be
> >>> beneficial
> >
> >>>>> given the tumultuous nature of our membership.
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> At the very least, a Press release seems appropriate,
> >>> although, in this
> >
> >>>>> case, a resolution from the LNC condemning the actions would
> >>> have my
> >
> >>>>> full support as well.
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> --
> >
> >>>>> Yours in Liberty,
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> Justin O'Donnell
> >
> >>>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >
> >>>>> Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
> >
> >>>>> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> Renew your membership today at
> >>> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>> --
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> * In Liberty,*
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >>> *-
> >
> >>>> Caryn.Ann.
> >
> >>>> Harlos at LP..org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlazNjc2J0BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE4MjM2NDU4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMwMzI5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTU0OTM0NzU2Nw--?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
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> https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
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> https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
>
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*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *
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