[Lnc-business] [lpradicals] Re: [LNCDiscussPublic] Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [Lnc-votes] Weld Developments

Wed Feb 6 17:36:38 EST 2019

All, 

     I'm glad we are having this conversation and reflecting on our values, our candidates, and how we choose to do business.  However, I believe our response should not be premature.  I want to remind everyone there isn't a requirement to register to vote as "L" to be a member of this Organization, the person in question is technically not yet running for any political office regardless of poltical affiliation, the deadlines for those registrations and filings are still far in the future yet, and they can switch party registration online instantly at any moment... 

     In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, voters are allowed to vote in the Primary election of the party they are registered with, or if unenrolled they may choose which party Primary to vote in.  The LP Presidential Primary is non-binding, we have not had an LP Primary Contest at any level of political office that had any competition or consequence that I can think of, nor that comes anywhere near the level of consequence of R and D Primaries, and registering as an L basically means you can't vote in primaries for the R Party or the D-Party where the results will have a much more conclusive impact. We struggle in MA to drive voter registration because being No-Party is always better than being in any party, least of all ours.  I can sympathize with anyone who would rather vote in the R or D Primaries to effect their nominees (especially a momentous Never Trump insurgency) when our L Primary in Massachusetts has little or no effect- something we are working to address from many angles.  Regardless...

     ...Why would a lifetime member of the LP and a presumable frontrunner for our presidential nomination switch their party registration in-person, PUBLICLY, and ensure the press covered it, just days after rumors were first spread (and immediately debunked by journalists who cared to fact-check) that he was prepared to announce for President as a Republican any day now? 

     In my opinion, this is a brilliant use of earned media.  I am predicting Governor Weld will stay LP and is just masterfully trolling the local Boston right-wing media (it does exist, and yes, they are that desperate for news) that was attempting to discredit him in the eyes of Libertarians and Republicans both.  The media runs cover for their politicians, that's no secret.  A Primary challenge and a strong LP candidate are both bad news for the Trump Republicans.  

     The media promoting the angle of an undecided or flip-flopping Weld is, in my view, an attempt to run interference. They mention a Primary challenge weakens the incumbent, blaming Pat Buchanan for George HW Bush's loss to Bill Clinton, while ignoring the contribution of the third candidate to that loss.  This is clearly giving their readers the impression- if you like Trump, the Primary Challenger is bad!  But the Third Party is no threat at all.  All the political insiders they interviewed for this story were former Trump Campaign Staff.  Only the Boston Globe reached out to Libertarians- Chairman Sarwark, Mr. Fishman, and myself, for comment.

     With the Politics and Eggs event next week, which was obviously supposed to have a big announcement of some kind, it should be a huge red flag that the right wing media wasn't telling anyone to tune in to that event for an announcement of some kind, rather trying to "spoil the surprise" by asserting they have already confirmed what's going to happen.  I believe they are trying to fatigue the readers of Weld before he has a chance to speak for himself. However, I also believe Weld may be taking advantage of this in an expert way.

The Rumors, started by Janet Wu, with no source listed:

https://www.wcvb.com/article/former-mass-gov-william-weld-to-announce-possible-run-for-president/26092546

Boston Herald- 1/23:

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/

Boston Globe- 1/31:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/01/31/weld-eyes-presidential-campaign-but-will-libertarian-republican/z3lDOxAb1XVJGvGnhANF5J/story.html

     "He has flatly denied a WCVB-TV report that he has taken a leave from his law firm, Mintz Levin, and that an announcement about a presidential campaign could be imminent.  “No, not correct, either item,” he wrote in an e-mail to the Globe Wednesday night."

     I should note that I jokingly included in my Conflicts of Interest- "thinks Bill Weld is a good Libertarian".  I wrote that because I am from Massachusetts, Bill Weld was my Governor (though I was a pre-teen when he left office), I have been able to attend lots of events and speeches he has given over the past 2 years, and I've gotten to know him through his support of our Fishman for Auditor campaign in Massachusetts, one that would probably have been unheard of by most if not for his endorsement which carried a lot of weight for us.  

     The Governor has been a friend to the Libertarian Party of Massachusetts and it's candidates, he has hosted events for us, he has travelled to numerous other LP conventions and events.  I would be baffled to find out this was all in vain.  If I am wrong on this, I will personally feel as betrayed as any of you, I will retract my conflict of interest statement with regret, and I will join in crafting our response and evolving our party to deal with these situations in the future.  I don't think those feelings of betrayal and hopes dashed should be part of our response.  

Most importantly, we should confirm with facts before we take any action, and we should be prepared to act swiftly for a range of contingencies when the time comes.

     I think it is also an important lesson that we must learn, and one that is sorely lacking in this and other conversations we have, is that we are a real political party- not a think tank or a leader of Libertarian ideology, and we must focus on becoming an organization that expertly elects Libertarians to public office at all levels.  This rumor has caused the entire Libertarian community to descend into chaos, some viewing it as good and good riddance, some as a bad sign that we, the LNC as an organization, cannot grapple with the two-party system because when we attract candidates who can win, we fail to provide the infrastructure and support that is required to mount a successful campaign.  

     We must instill confidence in candidates, donors, and voters, that they can trust us with the monumental task of electing Libertarians even when we are the underdog at every level of competition.

     There are Libertarians running with R's next to their names for the sole reason that the R's have the machine that makes campaigning easy and winning possible.  We should not view this as a "betrayal", but a failure on our part to court, to support, and to be effective in growing and advancing our stated mission and agenda. 

Let's focus on ourselves and what we can do to achieve Liberty in our Lifetime. 

Thank you for all you folks do for the Liberty of Others and I look forward to achieving it together.

Very Respectfully,

Jeff Lyons

LNC Region 8- Alternate

LPMass - Chairman

Fishman for MA Auditor (2018)- Campaign Manager

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On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 2:29 PM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

I do not think framing the concerns below as a purity purge is nuanced or fair.  Neither is about kindness (Starchild is the kindest person I know).
I’m finding that the word “purity” is an LP shibboleth to avoid hard discussion when what we are really talking about is violence.
However, the “celebration” mentioned below had to do with political opportunism not purity.  
Not everything can be papered over.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:28 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
Thank you for reaching out. I want to see our party electing and 

re-electing Libertarians, and the only way I see that happening is with 

a party that is much larger with more members. Your stated goal of 

excluding, or celebrating the exclusion, of those who are not pure 

libertarians on every issue runs counter to that objective of mine. My 

day job would be extraordinarily easier with even one Libertarian at the 

negotiating table in every state legislature committee, and bullying 

anyone who isn't apex 100/100 just guarantees we don't grow.

I do recognize there is a difference between joining and being our 

standard-bearer, between keeping pledges and breaking them, and that 

people who join shouldn't then demand that we become non-libertarian. 

But it's undeniable that many Libertarians are brutish and nasty to one 

another, and a poisonous and unwelcoming environment makes the jobs of 

our candidate recruiters, fundraisers, and membership staff much harder. 

I try to be respectful to everyone, including those with whom I 

disagree, and you won't hear me calling for any purges of the impure.

JBH

------------

Joe Bishop-Henchman

LNC Member (At-Large)

joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org

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On 2019-02-05 02:59, Roderick Long wrote:

> I agree with Starchild in not being disappointed.  Nonlibertarian or

> semi-libertarian opportunists leaving the party for the same reasons

> of political strategy that led them to join in the first place is

> neither unexpected nor regrettable.  Better to have them grow the

> libertarian-ish wing of a mainstream party than an authoritarian-ish

> wing of a libertarian party.

> 

> R.

> 

> -------------------------

>  FROM: "Starchild sfdreamer at earthlink.net [lpradicals]"

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> SENT: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 12:19 AM

> SUBJECT: [lpradicals] Re: [LNCDiscussPublic] Re:

> [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Weld

> Developments

> 

>  I hear you Caryn Ann. Maybe nix the "expression of disappointment"?

> Or express our disappointment that he doesn't have a stronger

> commitment to libertarianism? But we dodged a bullet here, even if

> saving the LP wasn't his motive. Going after him too harshly would

> convey the impression that we still haven't recognized and embraced

> this as a _POSITIVE_ development, not a negative one. It's also

> possible, as I think someone mentioned in this thread, that Weld may

> yet do some good for ballot access, etc., within the GOP, if we keep a

> channel of communications open.

> 

> Love & Liberty,

> 

> ((( starchild )))

> 

> On Feb 4, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com

> [LNCDiscussPublic] wrote:

> 

>> But for his two-faced lie to our delegates I’d agree.

> 

>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:03 PM Starchild sfdreamer at earthlink.net

>> [GrassrootsLibertarians] <GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>

>> wrote:

>> 

>> I agree with Tim here. I'm not a Bill Weld fan, but I see no need

>> to slam the door on his butt on the way out.

>> 

>> High-profile candidates like Weld who aren't solidly libertarian

>> actually _DO US A FAVOR_ by leaving the Libertarian Party. Far

>> better that he go and compete in the Republican primary, where he

>> will be able to argue _FOR_ freedom in contrast with other

>> candidates who are less libertarian than he is, than that we run the

>> risk of him supplanting candidates with better views to become the

>> LP nominee and betray our principles to the lasting detriment of the

>> party and the larger libertarian movement and cause of freedom for

>> which we stand.

>> 

>> No one familiar with Weld's record should be particularly surprised

>> by this opportunism. Let's move on, wish him well in promoting

>> freedom as a Republican to whatever limited extent that party will

>> embrace it, and let any egg on our faces serve as a valuable lesson

>> to Libertarians not to succumb to the siren songs of big names, big

>> money, establishment credentials, etc.., next time such a candidate

>> comes along.

>> 

>> Love & Liberty,

>> 

>> ((( starchild )))

>> Outreach Director, Libertarian Party of San Francisco*

>> (415) 625-FREE

>> starchild at lp.org

>> @StarchildSF

>> 

>> *Views expressed here are my own and not necessarily those of the

>> LPSF

>> 

>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 8:07 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:

>> 

>> Here is one source:

>> 

> https://commonwealthmagazine.org/politics/weld-rejoins-the-republican-ranks/

>> 

>> While party members may feel betrayed, I don't see an advantage in

>> harshly condemning him. An expression of disappointment and wishing

>> him well in future endeavors would be appropriate.

>> 

>> ---

>> Tim Hagan

>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee

>> 

>> On 2019-02-04 18:47, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

>> I'd like to see the media source and verification of the source

>> before

>> acting. If this is true, I support having a statement ready if he

>> announced

>> in a few days.

>> Richard Longstreth

>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)

>> Libertarian National Committee

>> richard.longstreth at lp.org

>> 931.538..9300

> 

>>> Sent from my Mobile Device

>> 

>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 19:36 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <

>> 

>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:

>> How many voters do we win over by condemning people for not being

> 

>>> registered Libertarians?  Don't forget that Gary Johnson was our

>>> nominee

> 

>>> after he ran in the GOP primary earlier in the same year.

> 

>>> -Alicia

> 

>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <

> 

>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> 

>>>> I would support such a resolution.  Our purpose statement

>>> prioritizes us

> 

>>>> being a unique political identity.

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>> Also this very arguably disqualifies him from our nomination if

>>> it were

> 

>>> to

> 

>>>> take place today.

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>> This is, in my eyes, a betrayal.

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>> I’m hoping there is some computer glitch.

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 7:02 PM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business

>>> <

> 

>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>>> LNC Colleagues,

> 

>>>>> 

> 

>>>>> Boston media reported today that a town clerk had leaked

>>> information

> 

>>>>> that Bill Weld has changed his voter registration from

>>> Libertarian to

> 

>>>>> Republican. This is in advance of the Governor's scheduled

>>> appearance

> 

>>> at

> 

>>>>> Politics and Eggs at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics

>>> on 02/15.

> 

>>>>> This Breakfast at NHIOP has long been considered a must-attend

>>> event

> 

>>> for

> 

>>>>> presidential candidates, and many are encouraged to announce

>>> their runs

> 

>>>>> at this event. Should Governor Weld intend to do so, I believe

>>> it would

> 

>>>>> be prudent that our leadership and staff be well prepared for

>>> the

> 

>>>>> inevitable media inquiries regarding the switch. I also

>>> believe a

> 

>>>>> statement from the Chair, or the LNC as a whole would be

>>> beneficial

> 

>>>>> given the tumultuous nature of our membership.

> 

>>>>> 

> 

>>>>> At the very least, a Press release seems appropriate,

>>> although, in this

> 

>>>>> case, a resolution from the LNC condemning the actions would

>>> have my

> 

>>>>> full support as well.

> 

>>>>> 

> 

>>>>> 

> 

>>>>> 

> 

>>>>> --

> 

>>>>> Yours in Liberty,

> 

>>>>> 

> 

>>>>> Justin O'Donnell

> 

>>>>> LNC Region 8 Representative

> 

>>>>> Chair- LPNH Platform Committee

> 

>>>>> www.justinodonnell.me [1]

> 

>>>>> 

> 

>>>>> Renew your membership today at

>>> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !

> 

>>>>> 

> 

>>>> --

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>> *  In Liberty,*

> 

>>>> 

> 

>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary

>>> *-

> 

>>>> Caryn.Ann.

> 

>>>> Harlos at LP..org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.

> 

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> 

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