[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

Mon Feb 11 15:06:36 EST 2019

My thoughts after reading Mr O'Donnell's original post: he voted to abstain.

For the alternate vote to count, Mr O'Donnell should either not have voted
or withdrawn his vote. To say otherwise means that an LNC member, a
regional representative specifically, does not have the option to vote
'abstain' which would certainly be a change to Robert's. As the vote is now
expired and the Secretary noted the vote on her tally sheet since it was
cast for all to review and monitor, I see no reason to change the vote
after results have been announced.

I don't think you can appeal the Secretary's ruling at all because she
hasn't made a ruling, just reported results. If the chair wants to make a
ruling, that theoretically could be done and then appealed.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

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On Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 12:20 Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:

> If need be for procedural reasons, I will move the appeal on Mr Lyons'
> Behalf.
>
> ---
> Yours in Liberty,
>
> Justin O'Donnell
> LNC Region 8 Representative
> Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
> www.justinodonnell.me
>
> Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>
> On 2019-02-11 14:05, Jeff Lyons wrote:
> > All,
> >
> >      I would like to Appeal the Secretary's ruling and Raise a Point
> > of Order.  Not because I want to override the near 3/4 support for
> > this resolution, but because it was in fact Mr. O'Donnell's intention
> > to not be counted, and allow me as alternate to express a more
> > strongly held conviction in my vote casting (albeit only slightly),
> > and I think this should fall under our Policy Manual:
> >
> >  "Section 1.01 GENERAL DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY
> >
> > 1) Participation by LNC Alternates at Meetings
> >
> > Free substitution of Alternates for Regional Representatives at LNC
> > meetings is permitted."
> >
> >      Roberts Rules does not have much on the topic of alternates in
> > the way we use them.  In my view, an Abstention on an Electronic Mail
> > Ballot should automatically defer to the Alternate, because that is
> > what alternates are for.
> >
> > Thanks for your consideration, sorry for being a pain, but both LNC 8
> > Reps were generally against this resolution and should ultimately be
> > counted as such.
> >
> > Very Respectfully,
> >
> > Jeff Lyons
> >
> > LNC 8A
> >
> > Get Outlook for Android [1]
> >
> > Get Outlook for Android [1]
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:21 AM -0500, "Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business"
> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually now that I see this takes 3/4 votes, and 14 * .75 = 10.5,
> >> and the motion should then fail?
> >>
> >> -Jeff Lyons
> >>
> >> LNC 8A
> >>
> >> Get Outlook for Android
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:14 AM -0500, "Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business"
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mrs. Harlos,
> >>
> >> It doesn't effect the result but Mr. O'Donnell abstained, and
> >> as the alternate I voted No.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> -Jeff Lyons
> >>
> >> Get Outlook for Android
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:38 AM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >> Lnc-business"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Voting has ENDED for the email *BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration
> >> Resolution*
> >>
> >> All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
> >>
> >> *Motion:* Move to adopt the following resolution:
> >>
> >> *WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that the only proper role
> >> of law
> >> is in the protection of the natural rights of individuals from the
> >> initiation of force or fraud; WHEREAS, no individual has a natural
> >> right to
> >> prohibit consensual visitation to or consensual habitation on the
> >> private
> >> property of another individual; WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
> >> believes
> >> that eminent domain is a violation of private property rights;
> >> WHEREAS, we
> >> affirm the right of individuals to set whatever standards they wish
> >> for
> >> entry onto their own private property but not that owned by others;
> >> WHEREAS, we believe that all individuals have the same natural
> >> rights
> >> regardless of their citizenship; WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
> >> holds that
> >> any concerns related to the border, valid or otherwise, are better
> >> addressed by removing the root causes of such concerns. Actions such
> >> as
> >> ending the War on Drugs, decriminalization of sex work, ending the
> >> welfare
> >> state, and allowing free trade would not only address those
> >> concerns, but
> >> do so in a budget positive way rather than costing billions;
> >> WHEREAS, the
> >> Libertarian Party acknowledges that economic freedom demands the
> >> unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across
> >> national
> >> borders: NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party
> >> condemns
> >> and opposes efforts to build a governmental border wall, be it
> >> through
> >> congress or gross abuse of authority in an ill-founded declaration
> >> of
> >> emergency. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party
> >> supports the
> >> natural right of freedom of movement of all peaceful people, for any
> >> reason, subject only to rights of other individuals to control their
> >> own
> >> privately owned property.*
> >>
> >> *Co-Sponsors: * Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
> >>
> >> *Voting "aye":*  Bilyeu, Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Harlos, Hewitt,
> >> Lark,
> >> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips, Redpath
> >>
> >> *Voting "nay": *Mattson, Smith, Van Horn
> >>
> >> *Express Abstention:*  O''Donnell
> >>
> >> *No Vote Cast:* Hagan, Nekhaila/Lee, Sarwark
> >>
> >> With a final vote tally of 10-3-1 the motion *PASSED.*
> >>
> >> *Note: * Secretary's Notes: Public policy resolutions require a 3/4
> >> vote as
> >> per Bylaw 7.11. There were thirteen votes cast (excluding the one
> >> abstention) which would set the 3/4 threshold at 10. The "aye" votes
> >> met
> >> that threshold.
> >>
> >> You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> >> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to
> >> the
> >> actual ballot cast for verification.
> >>
> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:57 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Joshua is having email troubles and sent me a screenshot of his
> >> email to
> >>> record.  He has tried sending to the list and to me personally and
> >> none
> >>> have gotten through.  He votes no.  See attached.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:16 PM Jeff Hewitt  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I vote Yes on the resolution. Jeff Hewitt Region 4 Rep
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2019-02-10 07:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>> Reminder on this ballot ending today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do not record votes from Hagan, Hewitt/Olsen, Lark/Hogarth,
> >>>>> Longstreth/Bowden, Nekhaila/Lee, Sarwark, Smith
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:32 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
> >>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I vote yes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >> *-
> >>>>> Caryn.Ann.
> >>>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> >>>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >>>>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> >> Re-Legalize
> >>>>> All
> >>>>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All
> >> Gun Laws *
> >>>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
> >> Fed * End
> >>>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
> >> Income
> >>>>> Tax
> >>>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
> >> Emergency
> >>>>> Services
> >>>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
> >> Sector *
> >>>>> Eliminate Regulation *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>
> >>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> >> Caryn.Ann.
> >>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> >>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> >>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> >> Re-Legalize All
> >>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
> >> Laws *
> >>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed
> >> * End
> >>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
> >> Income Tax
> >>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
> >> Services
> >>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
> >> Sector *
> >>> Eliminate Regulation *
> >>>
> >>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
> >>>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> >> Caryn.Ann.
> >> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> >> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> >>
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> >> Re-Legalize All
> >> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
> >> Laws *
> >> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed *
> >> End
> >> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
> >> Income Tax
> >> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
> >> Services
> >> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector
> >> *
> >> Eliminate Regulation *
> >>
> >> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
> >>
> > =========================================================================
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1] https://aka.ms/ghei36
>