[Lnc-business] CORRECTED BALLOT 190214-3 : Appeal from Ruling of Chair

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I understand the fairness concern but this just creates unfairness in
another direction.  Those who voted have a right to rely upon vote counts
(unchallenged until after deadline) and past procedure.  The ONLY fair
procedure is to follow our bylaws and rules and then move to reconsider
(which I would gladly join in).  Being unfair to one side at the expense of
another is not fairness.  At all.  And this does call into question nearly
every single email ballot that had abstentions, not only this term but the
past two terms.  Is that really what this body wants to do?  I doubt it.

-Caryn Ann

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 6:46 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:

> I vote yes, for two reasons:
>
> 1. Roberts recognizes two types of votes: yes and no. Anything else -
> abstain, present, recusal, blank ballot, spoiled ballot, absence - is a
> non-vote. O'Donnell did not vote and under our rules, the alternate vote
> should substitute in when the regional doesn't vote. Nothing I've seen in
> Roberts characterizes abstention as a "third" vote option to register
> protest or signal mild opposition. That may be past LNC practice, but it is
> not support by Roberts or our Bylaws so the Chair's ruling is correct. It's
> the same reason O'Donnell's abstention does not count in the vote total. By
> not saying yes or no, O'Donnell did not "cast an abstention vote" - a
> contradictory term - but abstained from voting, ie, did not vote, ie,
> absented himself. Just because we've done it wrong in the past, and treated
> abstention as a third voting category rather than being the term describing
> a non-vote, doesn't mean we should continue.
>
> 2. Voting yes affirms what O'Donnell was trying to do, ie, let Lyons's
> vote substitute in. I get they could have inquired on how to do it right
> prior to the deadline, but voting yes sustains what they meant to do. If
> the resolution consequently fails we can always reconsider it or consider a
> slightly amended version. It shouldn't pass because Lyons messed up
> procedure.
>
> If the Chairs ruling is overruled, I suppose we will have at least learned
> that "I am absent" allows the alternate to vote when "I abstain" doesn't.
> It's a distinction I find no support for in Roberts, and is silly when I
> wonder it. Ultimately Roberts likes neither alternates nor email ballots,
> so I would like to see our Bylaw more clearly define what constitutes
> absence from an email ballot. Treating an abstention as a type of vote is
> another option, but we should create that category by rule, not custom.
>
> JBH
>
>
> Feb 14, 2019 8:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Due to confusion in prior ballot - this is a corrected ballot.
>
> BALLOT 190214-3 : Appeal from Ruling of Chair
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 21, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm
> Pacific time.
>
> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
>
> =============================================
>
> Motion: Shall the ruling of the Chair on Ballot 190203-1 [Immigration
> Resolution] that "no" vote of Regional Alternate Lyons should be counted
> after Regional Representative O'Donnell registered an unqualified express
> abstention with the result that the Resolution would change from PASS to
> FAIL be sustained?
>
> *A YES VOTE SUSTAINS THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.*
>
> *A NO VOTE OVERTURNS THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.*
>
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>
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to the
> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual
> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>
> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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