[Lnc-business] Results of voting for Membership Support Committee

Wed Feb 27 00:02:59 EST 2019

I’ll cospinsor any proffered motion

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 9:54 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> I gave previous notice for that motion when I was under the impression that
> no more than 6 could be elected.  Now that the software has said 9 were
> elected, it makes my motion rather pointless even if adopted, since there
> are no subsequent rounds of voting to be completed.
>
> Saturday was the deadline to provide previous notice, so I had to make a
> decision without the benefit of knowing the OpaVote outcome.
>
> However, now we're in a different territory.  I've heard several people
> indicate they're interested in a do-over for various reasons, rather than
> just changing the method for any subsequent rounds.  RONR puts a very
> strict time limit on when one can make a motion to retake a vote by a
> different method.  It needs to be done immediately at the announcement of
> the results and before the body takes up any other business.  Well, that
> timing gets messy and arguable when we're trying to do business by email,
> against the warnings on RONR p. 1.
>
> I'm trying to do justice to the timeliness requirement and preserve the
> options available to the LNC.  It's really best for us to take it up at the
> meeting in case someone wants to offer an amendment of some sort.  But does
> the timing sensitivity requirement mean I'd better ask for cosponsors now
> and do an email ballot before the meeting?  If we take this up as the first
> item on the agenda, have we lost our timeliness factor because in the
> interim we adopted the agenda?
>
> I am leaning towards the position that doing it as the first item of
> business at the Alexandria meeting (with this agenda item request made now
> in a timely manner) does justice to the timeliness requirement, but that's
> arguable. However, if the chair thinks that it would be out of order for us
> to wait until then, to preserve the body's options, I should ask now for
> email ballot cosponsors to agree to retake the vote in Alexandria on BOTH
> the Membership Support Committee and also on the Convention Voting Process
> Committee.
>
> Let's just not think about whether someone else could pipe up and ask for
> cosponsors for another miscellaneous motion just to cut off my path to
> acting in a timely manner...
>
> Anyway, I need a ruling from the chair on my parliamentary inquiry about
> whether I must ask for cosponsors now for an email ballot to meet the
> timeliness requirement, or whether we can properly take it up as the first
> item on the agenda in Alexandria.
>
> For research purposes:
> Points of order on conduct of election must be raised immediately following
> the announcement of the result (RONR p. 250-251).
> See "Time Limits on Efforts to Challenge, Retake, or Change a Vote" (RONR
> p. 408-409)
> See "Contesting the Announced Result of an Election" (RONR p. 444-445)
> See "Retaking a Vote" (RONR p. 285)
>
> Several points of order would have merit here, though the options to retake
> the vote are not limited to situations that involve points of order.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 4:58 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > I'll post the results of the convention voting process committee after a
> > committee meeting I have tonight for sheerly advisory purpose.  I will
> then
> > create a report of comparison to other methods.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 5:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Perfect.  Then we shall wait until then.  I’ll bring pre-printed
> ballots
> > > as well for any do-overs.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 4:55 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Based on Ms. Mattson's email of 2/23, I object.
> > >>
> > >> For reference, this is the message I'm referring to:
> > >>
> > >> "I'm giving previous notice for the following motion for our upcoming
> > >> Alexandria meeting: Move to accept those declared elected by the
> results
> > >> from round 1 of the OpaVote for both the Membership Support Committee
> > >> and the Convention Voting Process Committee, but to conduct the
> > >> remaining rounds of voting to complete the elections using approval
> > >> voting by ballot. -Alicia"
> > >>
> > >> We should resolve that motion first.
> > >>
> > >> JBH
> > >>
> > >> ------------
> > >> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> > >> LNC Member (At-Large)
> > >> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> > >> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> > >>
> > >> On 2019-02-26 15:53, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> > I am not releasing this publicly to the applicants until there is an
> > >> > opportunity to object as Alicia raised the concern earlier that it
> did
> > >> > not
> > >> > require a majority vote for anyone but the method we chose doesn't
> > >> > require
> > >> > that - I think that is chalked up as a learning experience next
> time.
> > >> >
> > >> > Attached please find the PDF showing the calculations that OpaVote
> > >> > conducted to reach this result:
> > >> >
> > >> > Elected:
> > >> > Paul Bilyeu
> > >> > Steve Dasbach
> > >> > Kenny Kelly
> > >> > Jeff Lyons
> > >> > Alex Merced
> > >> > Mayna Myers
> > >> > Omar Recuro
> > >> > Valerie Sarwark
> > >> > Ashley Shade
> > >> >
> > >> > Unless there is an objection or a contrary instruction from the
> Chair
> > >> > to
> > >> > release earlier or later, I will be letting the candidates know this
> > is
> > >> > official on Saturday.
> > >> >
> > >> > You all will have received this information in a detailed email from
> > >> > OpaVote as well.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> >
> > >> > *  In Liberty,*
> > >> >
> > >> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > >> > Caryn.Ann.
> > >> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > >> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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> > > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > Caryn.Ann.
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> > > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> > > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
> > Tax
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> >
> > --
> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> >
> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> >
> > =========================================================================
> > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
> All
> > Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
> Tax
> > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
> Services
> > * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> > Eliminate Regulation *
> >
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>
-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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