[Lnc-business] DRAFT MINUTES Dec 1-2 LNC Meeting, V6

Wed Feb 27 03:21:59 EST 2019

Thank you.  Working on this today.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:14 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> In response to Mr. Bishop-Henchman's request, footnote 16 was added on page
> 17 to read:
>
> "Mr. Bishop-Henchman asked it to be noted on the record that he did not see
> the final document until several hours prior and is not comfortable
> approving. Ms. Harlos noted that the content of the minutes has been
> available for over a month and that the only change this morning was
> corrections in the formatting of the appendices and insertion of missing
> pages from staff and special counsel’s report."
>
> If the rationale for this being a footnote is that it is an explanation of
> a person's vote, then I don't understand why the second sentence was also
> added with Ms. Harlos' debate points to counter Mr. Bishop-Henchman's
> position in a way that suggests his objection was unreasonable.
>
> Though it is technically factual that at the time Ms. Harlos told the LNC
> that the only changes were those referenced in the footnote, that is not a
> fully transparent footnote.  Because the 5:57 a.m. email message had landed
> in my spam folder, I hadn't even realized that there was an updated version
> to review until the motion was made, so I certainly hadn't had a chance to
> identify differences from the prior version.  As a result, after Ms. Harlos
> told us what was different, I further inquired whether the Secretary's
> Report had been updated to reflect Mr. Phillips' co-sponsorship of a
> particular email ballot, and the response was that yes, that had also been
> changed.  If the proposed footnote is to include a counter-argument for Mr.
> Bishop-Henchman's vote explanation, surely its listing of all the
> differences between the versions should be complete.
>
> This further highlights that it was entirely reasonable to want to review
> the changes before being asked to vote.
>
> Of course, my position is that neither footnote 16 nor footnote 54 should
> be included, but if 54 is there, others should be allowed equal privileges
> to explain their own votes, or to argue against someone else's vote
> explanation.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:31 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > I can easily correct the sent versus seen (though all of the pages had
> been
> > previously sent and seen) but you did not raise an objection to
> > consideration of the question which would be in the main body.  It was a
> > debate point you made to explain your no vote.  You did ask me to note it
> > in your review - I do not include all objections but once that were a
> > significant factor in the decision.  This was not a close vote and I rely
> > upon members to let me know they want it included because they think it
> > significant which is what you did.  If you go back through past years of
> > minutes this is not unusual and I have insisted many times that my
> > objections be added.
> >
> > If you do not wish it included please clarify but you can’t have it both
> > ways based under a false characterization that I include all objections.
> > If you really don’t want it included (and it wasn’t 273 pages) but this
> is
> > some bizarre point trying to be made, let’s please not waste everyone’s
> > time and simply vote.  I’m more than happy to try to satisfy you but I’m
> > not more than happy to engage in games of proving points that I have no
> > interest in as I’m not bored and have plenty of other things to do.
> >
> > I will make one more attempt to word it in a way you prefer then leave it
> > to the vote.  My objection to the Koerner item was also placed in an
> > explanatory footnote.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 3:17 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
> > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > At the December meeting, on the Secretary’s motion to approve the
> > > minutes, I objected on the grounds that the LNC had been sent the
> > > 273-page document at 5:57 a.m. that morning, giving us inadequate time
> > > to review it. Those were essentially my words.
> > >
> > > This objection had been omitted from the draft minutes, but since the
> > > minutes note the substance of objections on other motions, I asked that
> > > my objection from the meeting be included.
> > >
> > > Ms. Harlos agreed, and the new version supposedly incorporates it. In
> > > reviewing it, I couldn’t find it searching for the terms “5:57” or
> “273”
> > > because it was written thusly:
> > >
> > > “Mr. Bishop-Henchman asked it to be noted on the record that he did not
> > > see the final document until several hours prior and is not comfortable
> > > approving.”
> > >
> > > First, my I didn’t ask for anything to be “noted on the record” at the
> > > meeting. I objected to the motion and stated my reason.
> > >
> > > Second, elsewhere objections are noted in the text of the minutes, not
> > > relegated to a footnote as this one is. I ask that our minutes be
> > > consistent on this – either my objection should appear in the main text
> > > of the minutes, or all objections and points of debate to all motions
> be
> > > put into footnotes.
> > >
> > > Third, and most importantly, my issue was NOT that I did not see the
> > > document until 5:57am, but that the Secretary DID NOT SEND IT until
> > > 5:57am. I ask that it read: “Mr. Bishop-Henchman objected on the
> grounds
> > > that the LNC had been sent the 273-page document at 5:57 a.m. that
> > > morning, leaving inadequate time to review it.”
> > >
> > >
> > > JBH
> > >
> > > ------------
> > > Joe Bishop-Henchman
> > > LNC Member (At-Large)
> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> > > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> > >
> > > On 2019-02-18 04:01, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > > This incorporates Mr. Bishop-Henchman's and Ms. Mattson's comment.
> > > > Please
> > > > advise if any further comments so that I can ask for email ballot
> > > > sponsors.
> > > >  2018-12-01-02-MINUTES-V6.pdf
> > > > <
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AhttqWBpYjqFtW_sZqcIlvwaezfKxpFW/view?usp=drive_web
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > *  In Liberty,*
> > > >
> > > > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > > > Caryn.Ann.
> > > > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > > > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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> > *  In Liberty,*
> >
> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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> > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
> All
> > Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
> Tax
> > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
> Services
> > * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> > Eliminate Regulation *
> >
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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