[Lnc-business] Point of Inquiry - Article 7.6

Wed Mar 13 07:02:26 EDT 2019

Thank you Alicia I had that in my list of nonsensical outcomes as well- and
say for instance on that suspension vote for Mr. Vohra - why were not the
alternates told they could and should vote at that e-meeting (even the
email vote) since it is the ENTIRE LNC mentioned.  I’m trying to remember
the opinion of those alternates but I’m fairly positive the outcome would
have been different.  I know region 1 would be miffed to know this since
both of my alternates were pro-suspension and Mr. Nielson wished to sponsor
Mr. McKnight’s initial motion.

In fact I’m fairly certain if alts were members Mr. Vohra would have been
soundly removed.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:11 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Bylaws Article 13 provides that, "The chair or secretary shall send out
> electronic mail ballots on any question submitted by the chair or
> cosponsored by at least 1/5 of the members of the board or committee."
>
> Is it the chair's position that LNC alternates can co-sponsor email
> ballots?  And that rather than having 17 members of the LNC, we instead
> have 24 (while Region 1 is short an alternate)?  And that quorum is 13
> rather than 9?  And the 1/5-of-the-members email ballot threshold is 5
> rather than 4?  And a few other implications...
>
> Some of the alternates whose statuses are not challenged under this ruling
> should co-sponsor the appeal to see what happens...
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 6:16 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > I would note that I didn't discuss the policy manual at all.  My
> > analysis is based on the bylaws entirely.
> >
> > Specifically, Article 7.2 defines "members," and regional alternates
> > are "members" under that definition.
> >
> > The plain reading of Article 7.6 says there is an automatic vacancy if
> > a "member" misses two consecutive regular meetings.
> >
> > You may have more luck appealing the ruling if you can explain what is
> > incorrect of my reading of the bylaws.
> >
> > -Nick
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:19 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would appeal that ruling of the Chair.  No policy manual change
> > defined them as full members.
> > >
> > > Will three people please co-sponsor this?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:52 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The relevant bylaws provision does appear to indicate that they have
> > >> vacated their seats automatically, though the past practice of this
> > >> board has not been to enforce that bylaws provision with regard to
> > >> Regional Alternates.
> > >>
> > >> There is at least a facially conflicting provision of the bylaws,
> > >> Article 7.8, "A National Committee Regional Representative or
> > >> Alternate may be removed and replaced only by the act of the affiliate
> > >> parties that constitute the subject region. The voting procedure for
> > >> the removal and replacement of regional representatives or alternates
> > >> shall be determined by the regions. In the absence of any such
> > >> procedures, a majority vote of the state chairs comprising the region
> > >> shall prevail."
> > >>
> > >> So we have 7.6 saying there is an automatic vacancy and 7.8 saying
> > >> that removal and replacement can only be done by the region.
> > >>
> > >> The simplest thing to do if Mr. Anderson and Dr. Olsen are still
> > >> willing and able to serve would be for their regions to indicate that
> > >> they would like to reappoint them as alternates.
> > >>
> > >> -Nick
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM Jeff Lyons <jeff.lyons at lp.org>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Good afternoon,
> > >> >
> > >> >       Point of Inquiry, Mr. Chairman- Have Mr. Anderson and Mr.
> Olsen
> > now
> > >> > vacated their seats on the National Committee as a result of being
> > >> > absent from 2 consecutive regular LNC Meetings?
> > >> >
> > >> > Reference- Bylaws Article 7.6: "A National Committee member who
> fails
> > to
> > >> > attend two consecutive regular sessions of the National Committee
> > shall
> > >> > be deemed to have vacated his or her seat. The appointing body shall
> > be
> > >> > free to reappoint the member who vacated the seat."
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > In Liberty,
> > >> > Jeff Lyons
> > >> >
> > >> > Region 8 Alternate
> > >> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jly
> > >> >
> > >> > Libertarian Assoc. of MA
> > >> > State Chair
> > >> > http://www.lpmass.org/join
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >   In Liberty,
> > >
> > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
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Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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