[Lnc-business] Point of Inquiry - Article 7.6

Wed Mar 13 14:02:25 EDT 2019

Thanks!  I will go ahead and make my reservations then.  I look forward 
to seeing you all in July (and some of you in April at the California 
convention).

-Brent

On 2019-03-13 09:36, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Brent I fear it may not be resolved until then if ever and prices keep
> going up.  No LNC ever would have considered you resigned and I’m
> truly sorry you are being treated like a political football.
> 
> I’m planning on acting as if this unfortunate incident never
> happened and hope people find better things to do with their time.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 9:14 AM <brent.olsen at lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Caryn Ann,
>> 
>> I have certainly not voluntarily resigned.  I will, however, wait to
>> see
>> what the end result of this nonsense is before making my travel
>> reservations for Austin...
>> 
>> -Brent
>> 
>> On 2019-03-13 07:24, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> Here is where I am at.  I smell a game, and I don’t appreciate
>> being an
>>> unwilling participant.
>>> 
>>> I intend to conduct my business precisely as I have and the Chair
>> can
>>> rule
>>> me out of Order.  I refuse to recognize that Brent and Phill have
>>> resigned
>>> and suggest they refuse as well.
>>> 
>>> If there is a game being played here stop it.  I do not sacrifice
>> my
>>> life
>>> and treasure for this and consider political games to be a form of
>> 
>>> fraud
>>> and a violation of our membership pledge.
>>> 
>>> Notice I said IF there is a game.  But my instincts are screaming
>> there
>>> is
>>> and if so count me out.  I will not play and do not consent.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:03 AM Phil Anderson
>> <phillip.anderson at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The simplest thing to do is to acknowledge that this committee
>>>> understands
>>>> the concept of 'alternate', and that each region has one
>>>> representative to
>>>> the LNC and an alternate to that representative, and let that
>> common
>>>> sense
>>>> and probably universal understanding guide interpretation of our
>>>> bylaws. If
>>>> there are facially conflicting bylaws, let's fix those at
>> convention.
>>>> This
>>>> committee doesn't serve the bylaws, the bylaws serve the will and
>> 
>>>> intent of
>>>> the party as expressed in convention, and I don't think there is
>> a
>>>> dispute
>>>> as to what the understanding and intent of the party are...
>>>> 
>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 6:02 AM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>> Lnc-business"
>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you Alicia I had that in my list of nonsensical outcomes as
>> 
>>>> well- and
>>>>> say for instance on that suspension vote for Mr. Vohra - why
>> were not
>>>>> the
>>>>> alternates told they could and should vote at that e-meeting
>> (even
>>>>> the
>>>>> email vote) since it is the ENTIRE LNC mentioned.  I’m trying
>> to
>>>>> remember
>>>>> the opinion of those alternates but I’m fairly positive the
>> outcome
>>>>> would
>>>>> have been different.  I know region 1 would be miffed to know
>> this
>>>>> since
>>>>> both of my alternates were pro-suspension and Mr. Nielson wished
>> to
>>>>> sponsor
>>>>> Mr. McKnight’s initial motion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In fact I’m fairly certain if alts were members Mr. Vohra
>> would have
>>>>> been
>>>>> soundly removed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:11 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bylaws Article 13 provides that, "The chair or secretary shall
>> send out
>>>>>> electronic mail ballots on any question submitted by the chair
>> or
>>>>>> cosponsored by at least 1/5 of the members of the board or
>> committee."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it the chair's position that LNC alternates can co-sponsor
>> email
>>>>>> ballots?  And that rather than having 17 members of the LNC,
>> we instead
>>>>>> have 24 (while Region 1 is short an alternate)?  And that
>> quorum is 13
>>>>>> rather than 9?  And the 1/5-of-the-members email ballot
>> threshold is 5
>>>>>> rather than 4?  And a few other implications...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some of the alternates whose statuses are not challenged under
>> this ruling
>>>>>> should co-sponsor the appeal to see what happens...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 6:16 PM Nicholas Sarwark via
>> Lnc-business <
>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > I would note that I didn't discuss the policy manual at all.
>> My
>>>>>> > analysis is based on the bylaws entirely.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Specifically, Article 7.2 defines "members," and regional
>> alternates
>>>>>> > are "members" under that definition.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The plain reading of Article 7.6 says there is an automatic
>> vacancy if
>>>>>> > a "member" misses two consecutive regular meetings.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > You may have more luck appealing the ruling if you can
>> explain what is
>>>>>> > incorrect of my reading of the bylaws.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -Nick
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:19 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> >  wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > I would appeal that ruling of the Chair.  No policy manual
>> change
>>>>>> > defined them as full members.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Will three people please co-sponsor this?
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:52 PM Nicholas Sarwark via
>> Lnc-business <
>>>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> The relevant bylaws provision does appear to indicate
>> that they have
>>>>>> > >> vacated their seats automatically, though the past
>> practice of this
>>>>>> > >> board has not been to enforce that bylaws provision with
>> regard to
>>>>>> > >> Regional Alternates.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> There is at least a facially conflicting provision of the
>> bylaws,
>>>>>> > >> Article 7.8, "A National Committee Regional
>> Representative or
>>>>>> > >> Alternate may be removed and replaced only by the act of
>> the affiliate
>>>>>> > >> parties that constitute the subject region. The voting
>> procedure for
>>>>>> > >> the removal and replacement of regional representatives
>> or alternates
>>>>>> > >> shall be determined by the regions. In the absence of any
>> such
>>>>>> > >> procedures, a majority vote of the state chairs
>> comprising the region
>>>>>> > >> shall prevail."
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> So we have 7.6 saying there is an automatic vacancy and
>> 7.8 saying
>>>>>> > >> that removal and replacement can only be done by the
>> region.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> The simplest thing to do if Mr. Anderson and Dr. Olsen
>> are still
>>>>>> > >> willing and able to serve would be for their regions to
>> indicate that
>>>>>> > >> they would like to reappoint them as alternates.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> -Nick
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM Jeff Lyons
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> > Good afternoon,
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> >       Point of Inquiry, Mr. Chairman- Have Mr. Anderson
>> and Mr.
>>>>>> Olsen
>>>>>> > now
>>>>>> > >> > vacated their seats on the National Committee as a
>> result of being
>>>>>> > >> > absent from 2 consecutive regular LNC Meetings?
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> > Reference- Bylaws Article 7.6: "A National Committee
>> member who
>>>>>> fails
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> > >> > attend two consecutive regular sessions of the National
>> Committee
>>>>>> > shall
>>>>>> > >> > be deemed to have vacated his or her seat. The
>> appointing body shall
>>>>>> > be
>>>>>> > >> > free to reappoint the member who vacated the seat."
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> > --
>>>>>> > >> > In Liberty,
>>>>>> > >> > Jeff Lyons
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> > Region 8 Alternate
>>>>>> > >> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jly
>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>> > >> > Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>>>>>> > >> > State Chair
>>>>>> > >> > http://www.lpmass.org/join
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > --
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >   In Liberty,
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary -
>>>>>> > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>> > > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
>> at
>>>>>> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ [1]
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>> 
>>>>> =============
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> *-
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
>> Laws
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>> Fed *
>>>>> End
>>>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
>>>>> Income Tax
>>>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
>> Emergency
>>>>> Services
>>>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
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>>>>> 
>> 
> =========================================================================
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>> 
>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>> 
>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> 
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ [1]
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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>> Re-Legalize
>>> All
>>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
>> Laws *
>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed
>> * End
>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
>> Income
>>> Tax
>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>>> Services
>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
>> Sector *
>>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
> =========================================================================
>  --
> 
>   IN LIBERTY,
> __
> 
> LIBERTARIAN PARTY AND LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE SECRETARY -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> CHAIR, LP HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE - LPedia at LP.org
> 
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
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> Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
> the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
> Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
> The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
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