[Lnc-business] Resolution Condemning Conversion Therapies

Wed Apr 10 15:25:02 EDT 2019

That is not what I said.  I did say agree to be reasonable about what the
Party’s positions actually are even if we personally disagree.

You have the votes, this will pass.  I’m merely explaining my likely
abstention.

I’ll never vote against a liberty resolution.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 12:51 PM Jeff Lyons <jeff.lyons at lp.org> wrote:

> We will not work together on anything until Libertarians agree on
> everything? That will be the day!
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> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 2:45 PM -0400, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
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> Property rights are not merely economic systems and are not voluntary vis
>> a vis each other.
>>
>> Immigration is just as important an issue.
>>
>> We should be supporting all Libertarian resolutions or none.
>>
>> I’m beginning to agree with Ms. Mattson that’s it’s all a waste of time
>> and propping up the hobby horses of whoever happens to be popular at the
>> moment.
>>
>> No one is confused about our position on conversion therapy.
>>
>> Staff can send out a press release and other statements.
>>
>> If there’s not a level playing field, the game is a waste of time.
>>
>> There are members deeply offended by the no votes on the immigration
>> resolution on which there is no confusion.
>>
>> There is no confusion on conversion therapy.  It’s horrid.
>>
>> Until we start to agree that we will mutually support Libertarian
>> resolutions regardless of our personal opinion I’m joining the group that
>> says we have other things to do.
>>
>> Children are abused by the thousands at our borders yet that barely
>> passed.
>>
>> We will all have resolutions we hope to pass- treating them equally will
>> benefit all.
>>
>> Until we decide to work together on bold Libertarian statements I will
>> not support.
>>
>> This isn’t bold.  It’s safe.  Parents have no right to a child’s personal
>> identity.  Let’s say that and say something that isn’t said by everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 12:01 PM Jeff Lyons <jeff.lyons at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good Afternoon,
>>>
>>> I opposed the property Rights resolution because I see no reason to cast
>>> out or turn away people who believe in various voluntary economic theories
>>> which may include Libertarian Socialists or Anarcho-Communists, so long as
>>> they advocate for non-violence and voluntarism.
>>>
>>> I spoke harshly about a resolution against the Wall, because I believed
>>> it was piling on fruitless arguments dominated by the larger olde parties,
>>> which would provide no advantage to Libertarians only to perpetuate
>>> counter-productive conversations controlled by the olde parties they use as
>>> distractions and deflections from real issues.  We are too often forced to
>>> take the fight to our larger opponents and fight these issues on their
>>> terms in their territory and attempt to convert zealous and fervent
>>> supporters radicalized by hyper-partisan loyalty.  I view this as
>>> tactically unwise.  I don't want to talk about what the olde parties WANT
>>> everyone to talk about.
>>>
>>> I want the Libertarian Party to express positions that give us the
>>> advantage of making the olde parties come after us with their response, on
>>> issues we can carve out a distinct position and force them to distinguish
>>> their views from us or to suffer to agree with us.  Bold positions on Gay
>>> Marriage Rights, Cannabis Rights, Ending the Drug War, etc.  This is where
>>> we have been most successful at convincing the American People to come
>>> around to our way of thinking.
>>>
>>> The Democrats and Republicans so often force one another to contrast
>>> with their opponents that it has resulted in their completely incoherent
>>> political platforms.  Our platform and ideology is firmly rooted in Liberty
>>> and non-aggression, and we should help the Democrats and Republicans reveal
>>> themselves as too weak or too authoritative on various issues for the
>>> mantle of responsibility in governments sole duty to protect of individual
>>> rights, and help voters realize there are more important issues that need
>>> to be addressed beyond partisan bickering.
>>>
>>> I propose this resolution because I have recently learned of the horrors
>>> of Conversion Therapy and I believe like other LGBT rights that we have
>>> been on the front lines as the standard bearers, we should take the lead on
>>> educating the public on this issue and empowering individuals to stand up
>>> against these practices of Conversion Therapy which are equivalent to
>>> internment camps and forced indoctrination.
>>>
>>> This is an educational tool that can be used to empower activists and
>>> bring people together under the Libertarian Banner to fight against cruelty
>>> and abuse of children.  We should be the party that helps these people
>>> achieve civil liberties in our lifetime.
>>>
>>> Thank you all and please support this resolution.
>>>
>>> Again, I welcome edits and suggestions prior to calling a vote.
>>>
>>> Very respectfully,
>>> Jeff Lyons
>>> LNC 8A
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>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 1:14 PM -0400, "Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>> Lnc-business" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> It’s not wrong because some group deemed it unethical.  It’s wrong because
>>>> there’s nothing wrong with being gay and children have bodily autonomy in
>>>> self identification.
>>>>
>>>> Word it stronger about children’s rights to deal with an actual issue in
>>>> our party rather than something everyone already knows.
>>>>
>>>> Or we could be really brave and come out against male genital mutilation
>>>> which happens by the thousands every single day.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:33 AM John Phillips via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I am totally in agreement with the intent.  I think a small bit of
>>>> > trimming and rewording might be in order.  When I get a few minutes later I
>>>> > ll look again.
>>>> >
>>>> > John Phillips
>>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>>>> >
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>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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