[Lnc-business] Resolution Condemning Conversion Therapies

Thu Apr 11 13:49:30 EDT 2019

I will have something to you this afternoon

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:43 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:

> I would be happy to see your thoughts Caryn Ann.  I am happy to sponsor as
> is, but perfectly willing to wait for your constructive input.
>
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Apr 11, 2019 12:40 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> If you guys would give me this afternoon and I will propose something I
> could support.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:30 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I appreciate your thoughts Caryn Ann.  Could I request an example of your
> proposed language?  I am not opposed to being bolder at all, merely looking
> to find the right amount.
>
> I disagree with your point about outside sources, but again am not married
> to it.
>
> Honestly, I prefer short.
>
> "So called "conversion therapy" is physical and psychological torture, and
> even more heinous when forced upon children.
>
> The LP has always stood against torture and for the rights of the
> individual to have whatever consensual relationships they choose. Therefore
> we stand against the practice of conversion therapy on the unwilling of all
> ages"
>
> Done.  Personally I would add that those who support the practice can rot
> in hell, but hey, that wouldn't make a good resolution.
>
> However I am fine with Jeff's last version.
>
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Apr 11, 2019 12:11 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I cannot support with the appeals to authority outside of basic rights.
> Medical associations once touted this stuff - it’s no longer pure science,
> it’s politics.
>
> And we don’t get our ethics from them.
>
> This does little to nothing to show how we are different from the hordes
> of people condemning and it gives the impression of being just another
> virtue signal by a political party.
>
> Get some bold Libertarianism up in there.
>
> Yesterday I said I wouldn’t oppose.  I am rethinking that.  The comments
> of my colleagues and further reflection on my own objections is leading me
> in the direction that these “safe” political signals actually harm the
> Party as we become background political noise.
>
> It would hurt my heart to oppose but I’m beginning to think I will.
>
> I urge the sponsors to rethink.  I’m not sure you have the votes by my
> count.
>
> Some folks will not support in any event.  Others like me would if it
> moved beyond political platitudes.
>
> If you want to pass you may need to appeal to the swing voters.  I’m
> guessing at least five no’s right now.
>
> Otherwise I suggest speaking to Lauren about a press release or something
> other than a resolution.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:50 AM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I agree with Mr Lyons.  My wording changes were for the most part
> organizational, not substantive.  Where they are substantive it is because
> I thought the statement needed to be stronger.  Conversion therapy is
> torture plain and simple. Something the LP has long stood against.
>
> So here is my proposed revision.  Not married to it if people like the
> original better. Or some variation.
>
> "WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party asserts that all individuals have the
> right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to
> live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly
> interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they
> choose;
>
> WHEREAS, Conversion therapy for sexual orientation is now considered
> unethical by The American Psychiatric Association, The American Academy of
> Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, American Medical Association, American
> Academy of Pediatrics, and American Psychological Association;
>
> WHEREAS, conversion therapy has been experimented with in the past as a
> form of punishment for homosexuality, and there has been no evidence
> whatsoever that conversion therapy can successfully alter the gender
> identity or sexual orientation of unwilling participants;
>
> WHEREAS, the U.S. Court of Appeals in the 3rd and 9th Circuits  have both
> upheld the Ban on Conversion Therapy for Minors, the Supreme Court of the
> United States has declined to review those decisions, and  has upheld the
> decision of a lower court in New Jersey where a 12-person jury unanimously
> declared it "Consumer Fraud";
>
> WHEREAS, children are often subjected to conversion therapy against their
> will by loving parents whom are unaware that the methods used in conversion
> therapy are extremely forceful and abusive, often utilizing psychological
> torture, physical punishment, starvation, aversive treatments, and public
> shaming or embarrassing a child whenever they display undesired behaviors,
> and that conversion therapy has been shown to result in suicide attempts by
> 20% of these patients: a five-fold increase in risk of suicide attempts
> compared to other teens;
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian party holds that provided that the rights of
> children to be free from abuse and neglect are also protected,  parents
> and/or other guardians have the right to raise their children according to
> their own standards and beliefs;
>
> Whereas, the Libertarian Party opposes the use of torture and other cruel
> and unusual punishments, without exception;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, Conversion therapy, also called "reparative
> therapy," "reorientation therapy," or "ex-gay therapy" constitutes consumer
> fraud, forceful abuse, and torture.  All of which the Libertarian Party
> opposes.
>
> FURTHER, BE IT RESOLVED, the Libertarian Party opposes subjecting
> unwilling participants through force or coercion, especially children, to
> conversion therapy treatment or other forms of counseling expressly
> designed to alter their gender identity, sexual orientation, or hormonal
> balance."
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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