[Lnc-business] Resolution Condemning Conversion Therapies

[Jeff Lyons]

Yes, upon re-reading I could live with this version.  I liked the language Mr. Phillips put in with all the medical experts who opposed it as well because I think it adds weight, as well as the fact that courts have made rulings on this and seem to be sticking.  It's less an appeal to authority than it is a very convincing argument that is not uniquely libertarian fringe politics. 




I would prefer the added weight implied by voluntary medical associations, but I will also accept this resolution as amended by Ms. Harlos. 




Thanks for all your help. 




I look forward to retiring from social media after this. 






-Jeff 




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On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:21 PM -0400, "John Phillips" <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:










She did, and she also helped Mr Lynch with his.  
Absolutely.  Safe Travels.
Here is Ms Harlos' tweaked alternate proposal.



"WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party asserts that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose;



WHEREAS while children have not reached sufficient maturity to be the full custodian of their rights which are entrusted to their parents or guardians, their rights to bodily integrity and personal identification of their growing awareness of who they are inalienable and coerced action that would fundamentally deny these rights is abusive;



WHEREAS, parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs, provided that the rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect are also protected;



WHEREAS, conversion therapy has been used in the past as a form of punishment for homosexuality and gender identity which does not conform to traditional expectations; and the rights to gender and sexual identity are fundamental rights;



WHEREAS, this conversion therapy has it's roots in unethical treatment used since the 70's in issues such as drug use, psychiatric disorders, and learning disabilities, that describe humiliation, sleep deprivation, sexual abuse, starvation, and isolation as "treatment techniques", methods that in any other pursuit are considered cruel and unusual punishment and torture;

WHEREAS, children are often subjected to this type of therapy against their will, even by loving and well-intentioned parents who are unaware that the methods used in conversion therapy are extremely forceful and abusive;



WHEREAS, any therapy similar to this has been shown to result in suicide attempts by 20% of these patients: a five-fold increase in the risk of suicide attempts compared to other teens, increases that are the same as other victims of repeated abuse, an increased risk that continues through later life;



THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that therapy modeled off these abusive institutions, protected and/or funded by the State, constitutes consumer fraud and forceful abuse, which the Libertarian Party opposes.



FURTHER, BE IT RESOLVED, the Libertarian Party opposes subjecting unwilling participants through force or coercion, especially children, to any therapy that violates the non-aggression principle through any method that would be considered abuse or torture."

John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
On Apr 12, 2019 12:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Ms Lynch approved enthusiastically of the one I proposed.  Mr. Phillips, I’m in a plane right to - can you post mine for consideration.
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:45 AM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'd be open to broadening the scope to include things that Ms. Lynch, whom is an expert, wished to be included but I also want a resolution that is specific and impactful in creating conversations with young rebellious future Libertarian voters.









Thanks again John.









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On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:21 PM -0400, "John Phillips" <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:





















I would support and co-sponsor EITHER resolution. The one Mr Lyons and I worked on, or the one Ms Harlos authored and I tweaked just a bit.  Both are good, both address the needs in different ways, with different pros and cons.

The short answer is that this type of "therapy" is absolutely negative and torturous to those forced into it.  We should 100% be against both torture and force, and are, so lets find a way to make this work.

Perhaps Ms Harlos would share hers here for more discussion?

I do not find the two mutually exclusive, and think even a combination would work, tho perhaps be overly long.  

I know Ms Lynch has helped with both, and her input is more than welcome.  



John Phillips

Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative

Cell 217-412-5973









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