[Lnc-business] Resolution Condemning Conversion Therapies

Sat Apr 13 10:08:08 EDT 2019

Alternates cannot co-sponsor (praying to all the gods that a new tsunami is
nit coming)

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jeff Lyons <jeff.lyons at lp.org> wrote:

> In the absence of Mr. ODonnell I will co-sponsor the newest version of the
> motion.
>
> Thanks for all the hard work crafting the language, I hope we get 2/3s.
>
> -Jeff Lyons
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 7:38 PM -0400, "Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business"
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Ahh but he is an alternate and cannot sponsor
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 5:31 PM Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Time stamp 1037 today in this thread.
>> >
>> >
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 14:22 Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don’t see where he has agreed to my wording
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:14 PM Richard Longstreth <
>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I believe Lyons as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> Richard Longstreth
>> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >>> 931.538.9300
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 11:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I sponsor.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So we have me, Phillips, Longstreth
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Mr Smith can you agree to this one?  Or Mr Merced?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’m at the AR convention so might be a little slow
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:00 PM John Phillips
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > *Mr Lyons.  Sorry Jeff, trying to go to fast.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > John Phillips
>> >>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Apr 12, 2019 12:22 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>> >>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > She did, and she also helped Mr Lynch with his.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Absolutely.  Safe Travels.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Here is Ms Harlos' tweaked alternate proposal.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > "WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party asserts that all individuals have the
>> >>>> > right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the
>> >>>> right to
>> >>>> > live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly
>> >>>> > interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner
>> >>>> they
>> >>>> > choose;
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > WHEREAS while children have not reached sufficient maturity to be the
>> >>>> full
>> >>>> > custodian of their rights which are entrusted to their parents or
>> >>>> > guardians, their rights to bodily integrity and personal
>> >>>> identification of
>> >>>> > their growing awareness of who they are inalienable and coerced
>> >>>> action that
>> >>>> > would fundamentally deny these rights is abusive;
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > WHEREAS, parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their
>> >>>> > children according to their own standards and beliefs, provided that
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> > rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect are also
>> >>>> protected;
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > WHEREAS, conversion therapy has been used in the past as a form of
>> >>>> > punishment for homosexuality and gender identity which does not
>> >>>> conform to
>> >>>> > traditional expectations; and the rights to gender and sexual
>> >>>> identity are
>> >>>> > fundamental rights;
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > WHEREAS, this conversion therapy has it's roots in unethical treatment
>> >>>> > used since the 70's in issues such as drug use, psychiatric
>> >>>> disorders, and
>> >>>> > learning disabilities, that describe humiliation, sleep deprivation,
>> >>>> sexual
>> >>>> > abuse, starvation, and isolation as "treatment techniques", methods
>> >>>> that in
>> >>>> > any other pursuit are considered cruel and unusual punishment and
>> >>>> torture;
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > WHEREAS, children are often subjected to this type of therapy against
>> >>>> > their will, even by loving and well-intentioned parents who are
>> >>>> unaware
>> >>>> > that the methods used in conversion therapy are extremely forceful and
>> >>>> > abusive;
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > WHEREAS, any therapy similar to this has been shown to result in
>> >>>> suicide
>> >>>> > attempts by 20% of these patients: a five-fold increase in the risk of
>> >>>> > suicide attempts compared to other teens, increases that are the same
>> >>>> as
>> >>>> > other victims of repeated abuse, an increased risk that continues
>> >>>> through
>> >>>> > later life;
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that therapy modeled off these abusive
>> >>>> > institutions, protected and/or funded by the State, constitutes
>> >>>> consumer
>> >>>> > fraud and forceful abuse, which the Libertarian Party opposes.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > FURTHER, BE IT RESOLVED, the Libertarian Party opposes subjecting
>> >>>> > unwilling participants through force or coercion, especially
>> >>>> children, to
>> >>>> > any therapy that violates the non-aggression principle through any
>> >>>> method
>> >>>> > that would be considered abuse or torture."
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > John Phillips
>> >>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Apr 12, 2019 12:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Ms Lynch approved enthusiastically of the one I proposed.  Mr.
>> >>>> Phillips,
>> >>>> > I’m in a plane right to - can you post mine for consideration.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:45 AM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
>> >>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I'd be open to broadening the scope to include things that Ms. Lynch,
>> >>>> whom
>> >>>> > is an expert, wished to be included but I also want a resolution that
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> > specific and impactful in creating conversations with young rebellious
>> >>>> > future Libertarian voters.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thanks again John.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > -Jeff
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Get Outlook for Android
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:21 PM -0400, "John Phillips" <
>> >>>> > john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I would support and co-sponsor EITHER resolution. The one Mr Lyons
>> >>>> and I
>> >>>> > worked on, or the one Ms Harlos authored and I tweaked just a bit.
>> >>>> Both
>> >>>> > are good, both address the needs in different ways, with different
>> >>>> pros and
>> >>>> > cons.
>> >>>> > The short answer is that this type of "therapy" is absolutely
>> >>>> negative and
>> >>>> > torturous to those forced into it.  We should 100% be against both
>> >>>> torture
>> >>>> > and force, and are, so lets find a way to make this work.
>> >>>> > Perhaps Ms Harlos would share hers here for more discussion?
>> >>>> > I do not find the two mutually exclusive, and think even a combination
>> >>>> > would work, tho perhaps be overly long.
>> >>>> > I know Ms Lynch has helped with both, and her input is more than
>> >>>> welcome.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > John Phillips
>> >>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> >>>> Caryn.Ann.
>> >>>> > Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>> >>>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> >>>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> >>>> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> >>>> >
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>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> >>>> Caryn.Ann.
>> >>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>> >>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> >>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>> >>
>> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> >> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> >> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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>> >> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> >> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
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>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page atfacebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
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>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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