[Lnc-business] Resolution Condemning Conversion Therapies

Mon Apr 15 12:31:16 EDT 2019

The alternate language has enough co-sponsors and unless there is some
objection, I will be starting the ballot today.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 4:26 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
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>      It's been brought to my attention that the Conversion Therapy Bill in
> MA will be challenged on "Free Speech" First Amendment grounds.  The group
> challenging it separates "aversive" and "talk" therapy, stating they oppose
> the former but support the latter.
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> As predicted, this issue will become a hotly contested debate.  I hope
> that we can adopt a stance that is not only definisible and aligns with
> libertarian values, but will easy to communicate to regular folks and takes
> advantage of the situation to recruit and convert new Libertarians.
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> https://www.masslive.com/news/2019/04/massachusetts-conversion-therapy-ban-will-be-challenged-in-court.html
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> The challengers, Massachusetts Family Institute, awarded me it's annual
> Citizenship Award for fighting for Freedom of Speech last October.  I both
> fiercely promote Freedom of Speech for all and I denounce involuntary
> detainment of unwilling persons to force them to listen to speech that
> disrespects their right to live their life freely, love who they love, and
> their liberty to identify themselves as they choose.  I believe the
> Libertarian Party should adopt this stance and advocate for the rights of
> underaged LGBTQ+ / GSM youth.
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> Thanks.
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> -Jeff Lyons
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> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 10:06 AM -0400, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
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> Alternates cannot co-sponsor (praying to all the gods that a new tsunami
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> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jeff Lyons <jeff.lyons at lp.org> wrote:
> In the absence of Mr. ODonnell I will co-sponsor the newest version of the
> motion.
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> Thanks for all the hard work crafting the language, I hope we get 2/3s.
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> -Jeff Lyons
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> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 7:38 PM -0400, "Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business"
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> Ahh but he is an alternate and cannot sponsor
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> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 5:31 PM Richard Longstreth <
> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
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> > Time stamp 1037 today in this thread.
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> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
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> > Sent from my Mobile Device
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> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 14:22 Caryn Ann Harlos
> > wrote:
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> >> I don’t see where he has agreed to my wording
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> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:14 PM Richard Longstreth <
> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
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> >>> I believe Lyons as well.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 931.538.9300
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> >>> Sent from my Mobile Device
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> >>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 11:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> >>>> I sponsor.
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> >>>> So we have me, Phillips, Longstreth
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> >>>> Mr Smith can you agree to this one?  Or Mr Merced?
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> >>>> I’m at the AR convention so might be a little slow
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:00 PM John Phillips
> >>>> wrote:
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> >>>> > *Mr Lyons.  Sorry Jeff, trying to go to fast.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > John Phillips
> >>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
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> >>>> > On Apr 12, 2019 12:22 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> >>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> >>>> > She did, and she also helped Mr Lynch with his.
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> >>>> > Absolutely.  Safe Travels.
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> >>>> > Here is Ms Harlos' tweaked alternate proposal.
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> >>>> > "WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party asserts that all individuals have
> the
> >>>> > right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the
> >>>> right to
> >>>> > live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly
> >>>> > interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner
> >>>> they
> >>>> > choose;
> >>>> >
> >>>> > WHEREAS while children have not reached sufficient maturity to be
> the
> >>>> full
> >>>> > custodian of their rights which are entrusted to their parents or
> >>>> > guardians, their rights to bodily integrity and personal
> >>>> identification of
> >>>> > their growing awareness of who they are inalienable and coerced
> >>>> action that
> >>>> > would fundamentally deny these rights is abusive;
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> >>>> > WHEREAS, parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their
> >>>> > children according to their own standards and beliefs, provided that
> >>>> the
> >>>> > rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect are also
> >>>> protected;
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> >>>> > WHEREAS, conversion therapy has been used in the past as a form of
> >>>> > punishment for homosexuality and gender identity which does not
> >>>> conform to
> >>>> > traditional expectations; and the rights to gender and sexual
> >>>> identity are
> >>>> > fundamental rights;
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> >>>> > WHEREAS, this conversion therapy has it's roots in unethical
> treatment
> >>>> > used since the 70's in issues such as drug use, psychiatric
> >>>> disorders, and
> >>>> > learning disabilities, that describe humiliation, sleep deprivation,
> >>>> sexual
> >>>> > abuse, starvation, and isolation as "treatment techniques", methods
> >>>> that in
> >>>> > any other pursuit are considered cruel and unusual punishment and
> >>>> torture;
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> >>>> > WHEREAS, children are often subjected to this type of therapy
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> >>>> > their will, even by loving and well-intentioned parents who are
> >>>> unaware
> >>>> > that the methods used in conversion therapy are extremely forceful
> and
> >>>> > abusive;
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> >>>> > WHEREAS, any therapy similar to this has been shown to result in
> >>>> suicide
> >>>> > attempts by 20% of these patients: a five-fold increase in the risk
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> >>>> > suicide attempts compared to other teens, increases that are the
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> >>>> > other victims of repeated abuse, an increased risk that continues
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> >>>> > later life;
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> >>>> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that therapy modeled off these abusive
> >>>> > institutions, protected and/or funded by the State, constitutes
> >>>> consumer
> >>>> > fraud and forceful abuse, which the Libertarian Party opposes.
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> >>>> > FURTHER, BE IT RESOLVED, the Libertarian Party opposes subjecting
> >>>> > unwilling participants through force or coercion, especially
> >>>> children, to
> >>>> > any therapy that violates the non-aggression principle through any
> >>>> method
> >>>> > that would be considered abuse or torture."
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > John Phillips
> >>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Apr 12, 2019 12:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> > wrote:
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> >>>> > Ms Lynch approved enthusiastically of the one I proposed.  Mr.
> >>>> Phillips,
> >>>> > I’m in a plane right to - can you post mine for consideration.
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> >>>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:45 AM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
> >>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> >>>> > I'd be open to broadening the scope to include things that Ms.
> Lynch,
> >>>> whom
> >>>> > is an expert, wished to be included but I also want a resolution
> that
> >>>> is
> >>>> > specific and impactful in creating conversations with young
> rebellious
> >>>> > future Libertarian voters.
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> >>>> > Thanks again John.
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> >>>> > -Jeff
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> >>>> > Get Outlook for Android
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> >>>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:21 PM -0400, "John Phillips" <
> >>>> > john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
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> >>>> > I would support and co-sponsor EITHER resolution. The one Mr Lyons
> >>>> and I
> >>>> > worked on, or the one Ms Harlos authored and I tweaked just a bit.
> >>>> Both
> >>>> > are good, both address the needs in different ways, with different
> >>>> pros and
> >>>> > cons.
> >>>> > The short answer is that this type of "therapy" is absolutely
> >>>> negative and
> >>>> > torturous to those forced into it.  We should 100% be against both
> >>>> torture
> >>>> > and force, and are, so lets find a way to make this work.
> >>>> > Perhaps Ms Harlos would share hers here for more discussion?
> >>>> > I do not find the two mutually exclusive, and think even a
> combination
> >>>> > would work, tho perhaps be overly long.
> >>>> > I know Ms Lynch has helped with both, and her input is more than
> >>>> welcome.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > John Phillips
> >>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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> >>>> > --
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>> > *  In Liberty,*
> >>>> >
> >>>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> >>>> Caryn.Ann.
> >>>> > Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
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> >> *  In Liberty,*
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> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> Caryn.Ann.
> >> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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> *  In Liberty,*
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> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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