[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 190419-1 Opposition to Conversion Therapy Resolution

Fri Apr 19 18:09:35 EDT 2019

No one directed any reversion- it was all just a confusing mess.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 4:08 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Mr. Bishop-Henchman, it got to be a tangled mess.  Post that alternate
> here please.  I’ve no issue starting a second ballot.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 4:04 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I vote no.
>>
>> I had objected to the language in the first resolved clause because it
>> has us *opposing* state legislative proposals to ban conversion therapy,
>> by suggesting that existing laws against fraud and abuse are adequate to
>> address this problem. They are not adequate - kids trapped in these
>> programs are not able to hire a lawyer and institute a civil action for
>> fraud - which is why half the states have moved to revise their
>> statutes. People who *support* conversion therapy are the ones saying
>> that new laws are not needed. I would support us saying nothing, and I
>> would support us supporting bans on conversion therapy, but I cannot
>> support us opposing bans on conversion therapy as unnecessary
>> legislation, which is what this resolved clause states.
>>
>> I did work with the sponsors on replacement language, which they all
>> (including Ms. Harlos) accepted. I don't know whether the sponsors
>> directed Ms. Harlos to revert it, or whether it happened out of
>> confusion, but I cannot support it as it now stands.
>>
>> JBH
>>
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>
>> On 2019-04-19 11:12, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> >
>> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by April 26, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm
>> > Pacific time.
>> >
>> > Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, O'Donnell, Phillips
>> >
>> >
>> > =============================================
>> >
>> > Resolution:
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party asserts that all individuals have the
>> > right
>> > to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to
>> > live
>> > in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly
>> > interfere
>> > with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, although children have not reached sufficient maturity to be
>> > the
>> > full custodian of their rights which are temporarily entrusted to their
>> > parents or guardians, their rights to bodily integrity and intimate
>> > personal identification, are inalienable and coerced action that would
>> > fundamentally deny these rights is abusive;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise
>> > their children according to their own standards and beliefs, provided
>> > that
>> > the rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect are also
>> > protected;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, conversion therapy has been used in the past as a form of
>> > punishment for homosexuality and gender identity which does not conform
>> > to
>> > traditional expectations; and the rights to gender and sexual identity
>> > are
>> > fundamental rights;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, this conversion therapy has it's roots in unethical treatment
>> > used
>> > since the 70's in issues such as drug use, psychiatric disorders, and
>> > learning disabilities, that describe humiliation, sleep deprivation,
>> > sexual
>> > abuse, starvation, and isolation as "treatment techniques";
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, children are often subjected to this type of therapy against
>> > their
>> > will, even by loving and well-intentioned parents who are unaware that
>> > the
>> > methods used in conversion therapy are extremely forceful and abusive,
>> > and
>> > that any therapy similar to this has been shown to result in
>> > suicide attempts by 20% of these patients: a five-fold increase in the
>> > risk
>> > of suicide attempts compared to other teens;
>> >
>> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that therapy modeled off these abusive
>> > institutions, protected and/or funded by the State, constitutes
>> > consumer
>> > fraud and forceful abuse, which the Libertarian Party opposes, and we
>> > oppose all laws allowing such.
>> >
>> > FURTHER, BE IT RESOLVED, the Libertarian Party opposes subjecting
>> > unwilling
>> > participants through force or coercion, especially children, to any
>> > therapy
>> > that violates the non-aggression principle through any method that
>> > would be
>> > considered abuse or torture.
>> >
>> > =============================================
>> >
>> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> > https://tinyurl.com/190419-1.  Votes are noted with a link to the
>> > actual
>> > ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual
>> > tally
>> > was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>> >
>> > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> > Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>> >
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>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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