[Lnc-business] DRAFT MINUTES MARCH MEETING V1

Thu May 16 04:18:45 EDT 2019

Also I wanted to be sure we are on the same page with the One Note.  The
Staff Reports and the Region 2 report were there to download - if you right
click on the PDF icon at the very top of that item.  The Blockchain report
had not submitted at that time, so that wasn't there (so I added it).

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 2:02 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> In a separate email V2 of the minutes is being sent.  I wanted to comment
> on a few of Ms. Mattson's suggestions (all of them were incorporated):
>
> p. 35 -  :-)  Footnote 24 indicates that, “The LNC conducted an experiment
> as if they were acting as a Committee of the Whole, and it was determined
> that the body preferred to move this vote to email vote by 11-3.”  If we
> acted as if a committee of the whole, then RONR p. 471 says those
> proceedings should not be entered into the minutes.
>
> LOVED that as I didn't know that.
>
> p. 20 – The first line of the current draft reads, “Without objection, Ms.
> Mattson moved the previous question which subsequently PASSED by a show of
> hands with a vote count of 13-3.”  This wording choice muddles two separate
> votes.  I moved the previous question on Mr. Bishop-Henchman’s amendment.
> There was no objection.  Then the 13-3 vote was on Mr. Bishop-Henchman’s
> amendment, not on the motion for the previous question.
>
> p. 20 – There is a similar muddling of two separate votes in the later
> sentence, “Without objection, Mr. Smith moved the previous question which
> PASSED by a show of hands with a vote count of 13-3, so that…”  Mr. Smith
> moved the previous question.  There was no objection.  Then the Goldstein
> amendment was adopted with the 13-3 vote count.
>
> I see how it can be read as muddling them but that is not how I read
> them... the previous question was without objection, then that question
> (the previous one just called) passed by ...... but I changed the wording
> to alleviate any potential confusion.
>
> ==[Caution: I’m feeling perturbed as I write this item.] Ms. Harlos, you
> voted against approval of the 2016 convention minutes because they
> contained an appendix of endnotes which contained no editorializing text
> written by me, nothing but verbatim copy/paste text from RONR.  You said
> you were uncomfortable that the added RONR references were in the same
> document as the official record, argued that members would be “confused”
> that maybe the LNC was approving of the “opinions” in the appendix, and
> argued that the party should not publish minutes that contain an
> opinion.===
>
> I think you are misremembering a bit - my objection was generally to RONR
> being in the text when they were not cited in the proceedings (and I only
> cite RONR in the body when it is cited, otherwise I put it to a footnote to
> make that clear) but specifically, in the case of the 2016 convention
> minutes, there *was* editorializing.  There was a ruling of the chair but
> then a parenthetical statement that said (*but see RONR.....)* which
> implied or suggested to the reader that the Chair was wrong, and that is
> what I objected to.  I never objected to them in a footnote or in an
> appendix.  I went and looked up my email where I objected (dated 9/12/16 )
> where I stated: *Alicia, I still believe the inclusion of RONR
> references  is improper.  It is interpretive and not properly part of the
> record particularly when they imply the ruling of the Chair might have been
> incorrect.  I believe appendices that are presented as interpretative are
> entirely different.*
>
> I had no issues with an appendix or footnotes and at the meeting where
> this was discussed I said so as well, and the convention minutes were
> approved with the RONR references being taken out of the main text and it
> was left up to you if they would be put in as an appendix - which you did
> and they were very helpful and appropriate there.
>
> Attached are the items you requested (the corrected minutes are coming in
> my next email)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:45 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I will send you those reports and review your comments. Some of those
>> were caught by Dr. Lark and in an upcoming V2, but I wanted your input
>> first.
>>
>> Expect in the next few days.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:02 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> For the following items from the March meeting, I don't see copies of the
>>> following reports on the email list where I can download clean copies of
>>> them (as opposed to the graphic versions inserted in the minutes):
>>>
>>> - Staff Report
>>> - Blockchain Committee
>>> - Region 2 Report
>>>
>>> Two of them are in the OneNote, but they're not downloadable from there.
>>> Could someone send me the original documents to complete my collection
>>> for
>>> this meeting?  Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:27 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello everyone, attached please find the V1 draft of the March minutes.
>>> > Dr. Lark, Dr. Moulton, and Mr. Dehn kindly gave them a read over and
>>> gave
>>> > their input.  I was really hoping to get the input of Ms. Mattson
>>> before
>>> > posting but I understand things have been really busy with the
>>> California
>>> > convention.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>> >
>>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> All
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>>> > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>>> > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
>>> Tax
>>> > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>>> Services
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>>>
>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
>> =========================================================================
>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
>> <http://www.lp.org/>*
>> =========================================================================
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>

-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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