[Lnc-business] Fwd: Goodbye to a valued colleague.

Tue Jul 2 00:43:33 EDT 2019

I touched base and will let you guys know.  Thank you.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 2:28 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:

> Yup.  Agree.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2019-07-01 16:11, brent.olsen at lp.org wrote:
> > I would most certainly support that, as it would be appropriate.
> > However, I do not think that it should include the LNC on the exit
> > interview.  I agree with Lauren that it should be the EPCC.  If anyone
> > from the LNC wishes to talk to someone who resigns they need only
> > reach out and ask...  No policy needed for that.
> >
> > -Brent
> >
> > On 2019-07-01 11:33, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> Yes. I personally wouldn't direct a request to the Chair.  I'd ask
> >> Lauren.  Then go with what she prefers.
> >>
> >> This also raises the issue that Joe mentioned about good HR policy. LP
> >> national should have a policy in place for exit interviews.  We don't
> >> currently have an HR person/department.  But, we can have a policy in
> >> place that would create exit interview criteria. For future
> >> situations.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>
> >> On 2019-07-01 14:25, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>
> >>> Elizabeth (I remembered!), I always said IF Lauren consents.  If she
> >>> doesn't, next issue.  We agree.
> >>>
> >>> I'll ask Lauren if she consents.  She's the boss here.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:14 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'll also be blunt.  It doesn't matter what the LNC Chair says.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lauren has already stated:  "I think the EPCC is the best entity to
> >>>> conduct an exit interview and I would prefer that they do it."
> >>>>
> >>>> Caryn Ann, you then responded and said:  "...It is your wishes I
> >>>> want to
> >>>> respect..."
> >>>>
> >>>> ---
> >>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2019-07-01 13:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>> When you get your AARP letter then you have arrived!  I'm
> >>>>> officially
> >>>>> old
> >>>>> rather than older.  I'm looking forward to retiring and yelling at
> >>>>> kids
> >>>>> if
> >>>>> their parents would ever let them out anymore.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And there's no extra pay.  Not enough double.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't need to justify why no, what I describe is not accomplished
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I request to be present.  If the chair wants to discuss with me why
> >>>>> it's
> >>>>> different, I welcome his call.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the chair  wants to deny my request he may and I request that an
> >>>>> explanation accompany any such denial.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:37 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
> >>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I've just mentally recorded that today at age 38 is when I am
> >>>>>> first
> >>>>>> described as an older man. Time marches on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If I'm being treated like an officer, it's news to me. I haven't
> >>>>>> spoken
> >>>>>> to Nick in weeks. Though I will today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You chose to be blunt, and I will be blunt as well. What you are
> >>>>>> describing can be accomplished by a conversation between you and
> >>>>>> Ms.
> >>>>>> Daugherty. That's up to you and her. And if you have a reputation
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> sensitivity about sensitive matters, finding the truth without
> >>>>>> distortions, and putting long-term change ahead of short-term
> >>>>>> gain,
> >>>>>> it's
> >>>>>> a no-brainer to happen.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> JBH
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ------------
> >>>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> >>>>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
> >>>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >>>>>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2019-07-01 12:13, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>>>>> Trial?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Let me be blunt.  I want to be present for the interview if Ms.
> >>>>>>> Daugherty consents.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> With all due respect, a group of older men with no female
> >>>>>>> presence
> >>>>>>> wanting honest feedback on why we lost such a valuable woman
> >>>>>>> employee
> >>>>>>> is foolish.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> After all the pomp and circumstance and forms and and trappings
> >>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>> followed, I just want to know what happened - human connection to
> >>>>>>> human connection.  Human connections are not neat and tidy and
> >>>>>>> bound
> >>>>>>> with a bow.  Sanitized plastic doesn't help me as an alleged
> >>>>>>> officer
> >>>>>>> know what happened.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mr. Bishop-Henchman I respect the heck out of you but our chair
> >>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>> made you a de facto officer ahead of the people actually elected
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> those roles.   His preference may be better than the delegates
> >>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>> that's not what they chose and I value your input but I'm done
> >>>>>>> with gatekeepers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I want to be present.  Simple as that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:11 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman via
> >>>>>>> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My understanding of the best practice for exit interviews is
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> occur for all departing employees, and that they be done by an
> >>>>>>>> HR
> >>>>>>>> professional, preferably one as far removed from the direct
> >>>>>>>> supervisor
> >>>>>>>> as possible. Then a couple things can happen. Management or the
> >>>>>>>> Board
> >>>>>>>> can get a full copy, or a summarized one. Or the HR person can
> >>>>>>>> distill
> >>>>>>>> the conversation into actionable recommendations and convey
> >>>>>>>> those.
> >>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>> latter usually gets more candidness from the departing employee,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> produces something useful to do. Because they are sanitized and
> >>>>>>>> translated, they can be more opaque as to *why* something is a
> >>>>>>>> recommendation, which can be a pro or a con depending on how you
> >>>>>>>> look at
> >>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Exit interviews are totally uncomfortable for management but
> >>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>> important they happen because otherwise managers will assume
> >>>>>>>> things
> >>>>>>>> about why an employee leaves rather than knowing. I have gotten
> >>>>>>>> useful
> >>>>>>>> information on how to improve how I am as a manager from every
> >>>>>>>> exit
> >>>>>>>> interview or how I communicate what we do and structure how we
> >>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>>> even ones from awful people who did terrible work (which is
> >>>>>>>> certainly
> >>>>>>>> not the case here!).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I also seriously doubt we would get useful and actionable
> >>>>>>>> information
> >>>>>>>> from an "exit interview" in front of the full Board, even in
> >>>>>>>> closed
> >>>>>>>> session. No one does that. That's a show trial.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> JBH
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ------------
> >>>>>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> >>>>>>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
> >>>>>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1] [1]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2019-06-30 12:53, brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I concur Ms. Mattson.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -Brent
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 2019-06-30 01:42, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> I would object to subjecting Lauren to a 17-person exit
> >>>>>>>>>> interview
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> during
> >>>>>>>>>> our limited meeting time together in Austin.  That experience
> >>>>>>>> might go
> >>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>> her list of things she wants to talk about during her exit
> >>>>>>>>>> interview...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think the EPCC is the appropriate body to conduct an exit
> >>>>>>>> interview,
> >>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>> our policy manual says they "shall also be available to Staff
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> discuss on
> >>>>>>>>>> a confidential basis the working environment."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -Alicia
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Links:
> >> ------
> >> [1] http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>
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