[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

Sat Jul 6 01:39:49 EDT 2019

I told you.

And I need to go back to the APRC but I don’t recall that equally bad
language being approved.

Do the no’s still think no need to get involved?

Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original.
> "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem.  Changing it to
> that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.
>
> All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am
> actually ashamed to be a part of this group.
>
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I vote no.
>
> The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and
> deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of
> Twitter.
>
> -Nick
>
> > On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Gotcha, seen a few of those too
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I
> saw a no.  Thank you!
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
> wrote:
> > Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is
> YES.
> >
> > Not nay as was recorded.
> >
> >
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > Yes.  Bill Redpath
> >
> > On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > I will vote yes.
> > >
> > > Richard Longstreth
> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > 931.538.9300
> > >
> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman.   As I stated in one of my previous
> > >> emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.
> > >>
> > >> Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't
> > >> good.
> > >>
> > >> I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded.  My
> > >> recommendation is:  "Not voting is seen as consent."
> > >>
> > >> For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.
> > >>
> > >> This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look
> > >> to
> > >> the LP for a potential political home.  The LP needs to be
> responsive.
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Elizabeth Van Horn
> > >> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> > I vote yes.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it
> aren't
> > >> > good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset
> by
> > >> > it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for
> > >> > its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and
> > >> > the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to
> the
> > >> > LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to
> adopt
> > >> > a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we
> > >>
> > >> > are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those
> > >> > crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff
> > >> > implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the
> > >> > vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we
> approve,
> > >> > and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things
> > >> > like this will keep happening until we do.
> > >> >
> > >> > I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some
> > >> > sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for
> > >> > long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff
> objectives
> > >> > and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to
> > >> > help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more
> > >> > votes like this one.
> > >> >
> > >> > But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet
> should
> > >> > be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things
> > >> > should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than
> > >> > Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
> good
> > >> > men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.
> > >> >
> > >> > JBH
> > >> >
> > >> > ------------
> > >> > Joe Bishop-Henchman
> > >> > LNC Member (At-Large)
> > >> > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> > >> > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> > >> >
> > >> > On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> >> BALLOT 20190628-1:  DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB
> PAGE
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59
> pm
> > >> >> Pacific time.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith
> > >> >>
> > >> >> =============================================
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official
> Twitter
> > >> >> account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be
> deleted
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed.  The Executive
> > >> >> Director
> > >> >> is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC
> concerns
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> =============================================
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >   In Liberty,
> >
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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