[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

Sat Jul 6 03:26:50 EDT 2019

I will put out the formal counts in a bit but the motion did fail as a tie.

I would like to put on the record that I find it highly improper (if not
technically so, then just disrespectful to this vote) that the item was
changed without LNC input, and as far as I can see, without APRC approval
or explicit statement that the need for APRC approval was over-ruled.

We are playing fast and loose with at least the spirit of the rules.

I am asking for agenda time in Austin as I do not think the issue is
resolved and the alleged solution was not disclosed to the LNC until the
eleventh hour and if it makes Phillips cuss, well, everyone should take a
second look.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:39 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I told you.
>
> And I need to go back to the APRC but I don’t recall that equally bad
> language being approved.
>
> Do the no’s still think no need to get involved?
>
> Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original.
>> "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem.  Changing it to
>> that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.
>>
>> All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am
>> actually ashamed to be a part of this group.
>>
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I vote no.
>>
>> The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and
>> deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of
>> Twitter.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> > On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Gotcha, seen a few of those too
>> >
>> > On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I
>> saw a no.  Thank you!
>> >
>> > -Caryn Ann
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is
>> YES.
>> >
>> > Not nay as was recorded.
>> >
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > Yes.  Bill Redpath
>> >
>> > On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > I will vote yes.
>> > >
>> > > Richard Longstreth
>> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > > 931.538.9300
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman.   As I stated in one of my previous
>> > >> emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.
>> > >>
>> > >> Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't
>> > >> good.
>> > >>
>> > >> I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded.  My
>> > >> recommendation is:  "Not voting is seen as consent."
>> > >>
>> > >> For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.
>> > >>
>> > >> This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might
>> look
>> > >> to
>> > >> the LP for a potential political home.  The LP needs to be
>> responsive.
>> > >>
>> > >> ---
>> > >> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > >> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> > I vote yes.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it
>> aren't
>> > >> > good messaging, although I question whether many are actually
>> upset by
>> > >> > it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP
>> for
>> > >> > its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC
>> and
>> > >> > the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to
>> the
>> > >> > LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to
>> adopt
>> > >> > a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and
>> we
>> > >>
>> > >> > are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those
>> > >> > crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff
>> > >> > implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the
>> > >> > vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we
>> approve,
>> > >> > and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so
>> things
>> > >> > like this will keep happening until we do.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some
>> > >> > sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for
>> > >> > long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff
>> objectives
>> > >> > and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want
>> to
>> > >> > help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch
>> more
>> > >> > votes like this one.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet
>> should
>> > >> > be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things
>> > >> > should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than
>> > >> > Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
>> good
>> > >> > men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > JBH
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ------------
>> > >> > Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> > >> > LNC Member (At-Large)
>> > >> > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> > >> > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> >> BALLOT 20190628-1:  DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB
>> PAGE
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at
>> 11:59:59 pm
>> > >> >> Pacific time.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> =============================================
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official
>> Twitter
>> > >> >> account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be
>> deleted
>> > >> >> and
>> > >> >> that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed.  The Executive
>> > >> >> Director
>> > >> >> is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC
>> concerns
>> > >> >> and
>> > >> >> submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> =============================================
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >   In Liberty,
>> >
>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> >
>> >
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>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
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> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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