[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

Sat Jul 6 07:39:45 EDT 2019

Mr. Fishman clarified that Mr. Sarwark made the decision outside of APRC
and posted notice on the LNC list.  I missed the import of that.

I have asked for APRC review on the new language and maintain it violates
plank 4.0.

I withdraw my agenda time request until the APRC review is done or decided
to be out of order.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:26 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I will put out the formal counts in a bit but the motion did fail as a tie.
>
> I would like to put on the record that I find it highly improper (if not
> technically so, then just disrespectful to this vote) that the item was
> changed without LNC input, and as far as I can see, without APRC approval
> or explicit statement that the need for APRC approval was over-ruled.
>
> We are playing fast and loose with at least the spirit of the rules.
>
> I am asking for agenda time in Austin as I do not think the issue is
> resolved and the alleged solution was not disclosed to the LNC until the
> eleventh hour and if it makes Phillips cuss, well, everyone should take a
> second look.
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:39 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I told you.
>>
>> And I need to go back to the APRC but I don’t recall that equally bad
>> language being approved.
>>
>> Do the no’s still think no need to get involved?
>>
>> Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original.
>>> "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem.  Changing it to
>>> that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.
>>>
>>> All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am
>>> actually ashamed to be a part of this group.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Phillips
>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote no.
>>>
>>> The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and
>>> deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of
>>> Twitter.
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>> > On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Gotcha, seen a few of those too
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I
>>> saw a no.  Thank you!
>>> >
>>> > -Caryn Ann
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote
>>> is YES.
>>> >
>>> > Not nay as was recorded.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John Phillips
>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > Yes.  Bill Redpath
>>> >
>>> > On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > > I will vote yes.
>>> > >
>>> > > Richard Longstreth
>>> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>>> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > > 931.538.9300
>>> > >
>>> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman.   As I stated in one of my previous
>>> > >> emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't
>>> > >> good.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded.  My
>>> > >> recommendation is:  "Not voting is seen as consent."
>>> > >>
>>> > >> For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might
>>> look
>>> > >> to
>>> > >> the LP for a potential political home.  The LP needs to be
>>> responsive.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> ---
>>> > >> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> > >> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > >> > I vote yes.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it
>>> aren't
>>> > >> > good messaging, although I question whether many are actually
>>> upset by
>>> > >> > it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP
>>> for
>>> > >> > its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC
>>> and
>>> > >> > the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed
>>> to the
>>> > >> > LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to
>>> adopt
>>> > >> > a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and
>>> we
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those
>>> > >> > crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff
>>> > >> > implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the
>>> > >> > vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we
>>> approve,
>>> > >> > and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so
>>> things
>>> > >> > like this will keep happening until we do.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some
>>> > >> > sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process
>>> for
>>> > >> > long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff
>>> objectives
>>> > >> > and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want
>>> to
>>> > >> > help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch
>>> more
>>> > >> > votes like this one.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet
>>> should
>>> > >> > be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things
>>> > >> > should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than
>>> > >> > Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
>>> good
>>> > >> > men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > JBH
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > ------------
>>> > >> > Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>> > >> > LNC Member (At-Large)
>>> > >> > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>> > >> > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > >> >> BALLOT 20190628-1:  DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND
>>> WEB PAGE
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at
>>> 11:59:59 pm
>>> > >> >> Pacific time.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> =============================================
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official
>>> Twitter
>>> > >> >> account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be
>>> deleted
>>> > >> >> and
>>> > >> >> that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed.  The Executive
>>> > >> >> Director
>>> > >> >> is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC
>>> concerns
>>> > >> >> and
>>> > >> >> submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> =============================================
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> >   In Liberty,
>>> >
>>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
>> =========================================================================
>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
>> <http://www.lp.org/>*
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>>
>
>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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