[Lnc-business] Proposed

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

Dan Fishman making a suggestion, isn't anything like your situation. 
But, since you brought up your situation from last year, let's correct 
your recap:

You accused Dan Fishman of "blindsiding", not notifying the LNC before 
making a suggestion (just an idea), and of not consulting officers.

Yet, your deal was one you struck with the former ED. You didn't get 
approval from the LNC. It wasn't even discussed by the LNC, until after 
you were already getting reimbursed for travel that none of the LNC knew 
about.  Nor, did you notify the officers. When your deal, was brought to 
the attention of the board, the others on the LNC weren't aware of it.  
No one on the LNC accused you of 'bribing with T-shirts".

You said that your deal was in your regional report.  Which, was a 
length tome which few read. You placed the blame on the LNC for not 
being aware, but you didn't bring it the attention of the LNC.  Imagine 
the histrionics, if Dan Fishman and Nick posted about a deal, in a LNC 
report, and it was already a done deal, and that's the first you heard 
about.  Yet, that scenario is what you did.

What you were doing is getting to travel with reimbursement, to 
conventions.  In the same year that you were declaring for a national 
officer position.  Having LP national pay your way to visit conventions 
was wrong.

Also, the ED didn't know that you'd gone to conventions in your own 
region, and when others on the LNC, who were paying out-pocket to attend 
conventions in their regions discovered this, they were surprised.  
Also, others on the LNC weren't happy to find out that they were paying 
out-of-pocket to attend conventions in their own regions, and you were 
attempting to get reimbursed for the same.

When replying to my protest of your actions you said that you didn't 
break any rules.  (As if that's the criteria for not doing wrong.)

This is all in the LNC email archives.



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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
http://www.lpcaucus.org/

On 2019-07-06 15:45, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> It is already all of our jobs to fundraise.  Pay expenses? Certainly.
> Salary?  No.
> 
> I volunteer - expenses only.
> 
> Seriously after the shitstorm last year for legitimate fundraising it’s 
> all
> of a sudden different because it’s Nick and with salary?  I was in 
> danger
> of (ridiculously) of bribing votes with t-shirts but this is okay?
> 
> Is Nick re-running?  Would there be no using of a salaried position to
> influence internal politics?
> 
> I’ll say it right now, then every chair candidate must be given equal
> opportunity.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:20 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> I think other people said that more recently than I, its been a few 
>> months
>> since I did 😂, tho I hinted at it.
>> 
>> Well thought out as always.
>> 
>> 
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> 
>> On Jul 6, 2019 12:59 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I guess Mr. Fishman's honeymoon period is over!
>> 
>> I'm willing to hear out our ED and not shoot it down immediately, but
>> for my part I will need a lot more details when we consider it. If 
>> we're
>> hiring a contractor, I want to know precisely what tasks the 
>> contractor
>> will be doing on at least a quarterly basis if not a monthly or weekly
>> basis, and how (and who) will be actively monitoring progress and
>> adjusting based on the results.
>> 
>> I will also need to review the information addressing whether this
>> violates the Bylaws or common past understandings of the role of the
>> Chair or LNC members.
>> 
>> This contractor-who-knows-us approach would be preferable, in my view,
>> to hiring a commission fundraiser who knows little about us and
>> therefore will be ineffective at securing major donors willing to 
>> invest
>> long-term with us. In-person telemarketing, which is effectively what
>> that is, can be effective for raising money quickly, but only at
>> enormous expense (as a percent of dollar raised), great risk of
>> misrepresentation, and at the expense of a continuing relationship.
>> 
>> Ideally we need to construct a fundraising department, essentially 
>> from
>> scratch now. We have two main donor audiences - major donors and small
>> dollar donors - and each of them needs attention as to their
>> prospecting/qualification/opening doors, asking/closing, and
>> stewardship/cultivation. That's essentially six completely different
>> skills (2 audiences times 3 jobs each) and we can't have one person do
>> all of it and expect them to do better than Lauren could. We also 
>> can't
>> hire six people, so the answer is going to be a mix of LNC members, 
>> the
>> ED, staff, and contractors.
>> 
>> If we're going to get to a place where we are raising millions of
>> dollars or more each year, building a fundraising department is an
>> essential second step. (The first step is doing exciting things donors
>> want to support, or at least proposing to focus on those things. On 
>> that
>> part, I'd like to invite Apollo to the next Board meeting and tell us
>> what he has up his sleeves.) If what Mr. Fishman proposes is a step in
>> that direction, I'm more inclined to support it. If not, not.
>> 
>> As Mr. Phillips I think noted, if we say no to everything and propose
>> nothing we will quickly realize in a bad way how important fundraising
>> is.
>> 
>> JBH
>> 
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 
>> On 2019-07-05 16:50, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > Then lets get hiring.
>> 
>> 
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