[Lnc-business] Proposed

Sat Jul 6 23:08:25 EDT 2019

Elizabeth, everyone can go re-read the discussions for themselves.  Your
characterization is not accurate.

I think we can both agree without arguing that a paid salary is world’s
above membership t-shirts that were made open to everyone (and as far as I
am aware no one took Wes up on it).  This is by nature completely unique
and cannot be made level.

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 8:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the LP. It was
> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen when we had
> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented itself now
> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we are talking
> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never elected a
> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
>
> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level decision, but one
> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the financial
> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
>
> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not fear
> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are failing. This is
> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect to be
> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that includes
> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate the
> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next attempt.
>
> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively minimum risk
> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am asking to
> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as a
> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would reverberate till
> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every future LNC
> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope) will lead
> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have essentially
> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
>
> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you if you
> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC first. I have
> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would indeed
> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel of your
> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract should one
> be offered?
>
> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As such the
> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to see if it
> increases our revenue.
>
> ---
> Daniel Fishman
> Executive Director
> The Libertarian Party
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>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 3:45 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > It is already all of our jobs to fundraise.  Pay expenses? Certainly.
> > Salary?  No.
> >
> > I volunteer - expenses only.
> >
> > Seriously after the shitstorm last year for legitimate fundraising it’s
> all
> > of a sudden different because it’s Nick and with salary?  I was in danger
> > of (ridiculously) of bribing votes with t-shirts but this is okay?
> >
> > Is Nick re-running?  Would there be no using of a salaried position to
> > influence internal politics?
> >
> > I’ll say it right now, then every chair candidate must be given equal
> > opportunity.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:20 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I think other people said that more recently than I, its been a few
> > months
> > > since I did 😂, tho I hinted at it.
> > >
> > > Well thought out as always.
> > >
> > >
> > > John Phillips
> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > > Cell 217-412-5973
> > >
> > > On Jul 6, 2019 12:59 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess Mr. Fishman's honeymoon period is over!
> > >
> > > I'm willing to hear out our ED and not shoot it down immediately, but
> > > for my part I will need a lot more details when we consider it. If
> we're
> > > hiring a contractor, I want to know precisely what tasks the contractor
> > > will be doing on at least a quarterly basis if not a monthly or weekly
> > > basis, and how (and who) will be actively monitoring progress and
> > > adjusting based on the results.
> > >
> > > I will also need to review the information addressing whether this
> > > violates the Bylaws or common past understandings of the role of the
> > > Chair or LNC members.
> > >
> > > This contractor-who-knows-us approach would be preferable, in my view,
> > > to hiring a commission fundraiser who knows little about us and
> > > therefore will be ineffective at securing major donors willing to
> invest
> > > long-term with us. In-person telemarketing, which is effectively what
> > > that is, can be effective for raising money quickly, but only at
> > > enormous expense (as a percent of dollar raised), great risk of
> > > misrepresentation, and at the expense of a continuing relationship.
> > >
> > > Ideally we need to construct a fundraising department, essentially from
> > > scratch now. We have two main donor audiences - major donors and small
> > > dollar donors - and each of them needs attention as to their
> > > prospecting/qualification/opening doors, asking/closing, and
> > > stewardship/cultivation. That's essentially six completely different
> > > skills (2 audiences times 3 jobs each) and we can't have one person do
> > > all of it and expect them to do better than Lauren could. We also can't
> > > hire six people, so the answer is going to be a mix of LNC members, the
> > > ED, staff, and contractors.
> > >
> > > If we're going to get to a place where we are raising millions of
> > > dollars or more each year, building a fundraising department is an
> > > essential second step. (The first step is doing exciting things donors
> > > want to support, or at least proposing to focus on those things. On
> that
> > > part, I'd like to invite Apollo to the next Board meeting and tell us
> > > what he has up his sleeves.) If what Mr. Fishman proposes is a step in
> > > that direction, I'm more inclined to support it. If not, not.
> > >
> > > As Mr. Phillips I think noted, if we say no to everything and propose
> > > nothing we will quickly realize in a bad way how important fundraising
> > > is.
> > >
> > > JBH
> > >
> > > ------------
> > > Joe Bishop-Henchman
> > > LNC Member (At-Large)
> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> > > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> > >
> > > On 2019-07-05 16:50, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > > Then lets get hiring.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> >
> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
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*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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