[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

Sat Jul 6 23:21:28 EDT 2019

Elizabeth, that is the only secrecy I am referring to.

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:50 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:

> I'm not aware of any secrecy.  Other than that which surrounds the APRC.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2019-07-06 14:23, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> If they do, then I will of course withdraw my request.
>
> I also agree with you on the secrecy being disturbing on several levels.
>
> On Jul 6, 2019 1:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> APRC is reviewing and may satisfy your objection which you know I fully
> agree with.
>
> Out of all things to be stubborn about, Libertarians defending anything
> suggesting silence is consent should not be one
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:15 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I do not.  I think there needs to be agenda time for the language on the
> website.
>
> I am willing to concede on the tweet, but making a meaningless change that
> has 0 affect on the website statement is not good enough.
>
> At the very least every single one of you needs to look us in the eye and
> the camera and say that you are ok with "silence is consent", or "silence
> is seen as consent" which means the same damn thing, being on our website
> and the public statement of the party.
>
> Statements about "micromanaging" are crap.  Boards address issues, that is
> not micromanaging, that is the job.  Particularly issues that are not being
> adequately handled, as this is not.
>
> 1 damn word addition would fix it. The fact that there is so much
> opposition to one word that would literally take less time to add than
> pissing is ridiculous.
>
> John.
>
> On Jul 6, 2019 6:39 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Mr. Fishman clarified that Mr. Sarwark made the decision outside of APRC
> and posted notice on the LNC list.  I missed the import of that.
>
> I have asked for APRC review on the new language and maintain it violates
> plank 4.0.
>
> I withdraw my agenda time request until the APRC review is done or decided
> to be out of order.
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:26 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I will put out the formal counts in a bit but the motion did fail as a
> tie.
>
> I would like to put on the record that I find it highly improper (if not
> technically so, then just disrespectful to this vote) that the item was
> changed without LNC input, and as far as I can see, without APRC approval
> or explicit statement that the need for APRC approval was over-ruled.
>
> We are playing fast and loose with at least the spirit of the rules.
>
> I am asking for agenda time in Austin as I do not think the issue is
> resolved and the alleged solution was not disclosed to the LNC until the
> eleventh hour and if it makes Phillips cuss, well, everyone should take a
> second look.
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:39 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I told you.
>
> And I need to go back to the APRC but I don't recall that equally bad
> language being approved.
>
> Do the no's still think no need to get involved?
>
> Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original.
> "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem.  Changing it to
> that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.
>
> All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am
> actually ashamed to be a part of this group.
>
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I vote no.
>
> The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and
> deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of
> Twitter.
>
> -Nick
>
> > On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Gotcha, seen a few of those too
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I
> saw a no.  Thank you!
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
> wrote:
> > Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is
> YES.
> >
> > Not nay as was recorded.
> >
> >
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >
> > On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > Yes.  Bill Redpath
> >
> > On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > I will vote yes.
> > >
> > > Richard Longstreth
> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > 931.538.9300
> > >
> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman.   As I stated in one of my previous
> > >> emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.
> > >>
> > >> Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't
> > >> good.
> > >>
> > >> I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded.  My
> > >> recommendation is:  "Not voting is seen as consent."
> > >>
> > >> For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.
> > >>
> > >> This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look
> > >> to
> > >> the LP for a potential political home.  The LP needs to be
> responsive.
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Elizabeth Van Horn
> > >> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> > I vote yes.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it
> aren't
> > >> > good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset
> by
> > >> > it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for
> > >> > its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and
> > >> > the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to
> the
> > >> > LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to
> adopt
> > >> > a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we
> > >>
> > >> > are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those
> > >> > crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff
> > >> > implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the
> > >> > vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we
> approve,
> > >> > and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things
> > >> > like this will keep happening until we do.
> > >> >
> > >> > I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some
> > >> > sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for
> > >> > long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff
> objectives
> > >> > and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to
> > >> > help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more
> > >> > votes like this one.
> > >> >
> > >> > But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet
> should
> > >> > be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things
> > >> > should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than
> > >> > Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
> good
> > >> > men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.
> > >> >
> > >> > JBH
> > >> >
> > >> > ------------
> > >> > Joe Bishop-Henchman
> > >> > LNC Member (At-Large)
> > >> > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> > >> > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> > >> >
> > >> > On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> >> BALLOT 20190628-1:  DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB
> PAGE
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59
> pm
> > >> >> Pacific time.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith
> > >> >>
> > >> >> =============================================
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official
> Twitter
> > >> >> account including the quote that "silence equals consent" be
> deleted
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed.  The Executive
> > >> >> Director
> > >> >> is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC
> concerns
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> =============================================
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >   In Liberty,
> >
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
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> *  In Liberty,*
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
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>
> *  In Liberty,*
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
> --

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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