[Lnc-business] Proposed

Tue Jul 9 16:26:55 EDT 2019

Thank you.  From what I can tell, the full LNC was notified on June 28.  I
understand that Mr. Fishman was not arguing urgency but several LNC members
where.  At least to me, the chair and ED's actions by not notifying us
immediately means that they certainly did not view this as an urgent
situation, and thus, neither will I.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:16 PM Lauren Daugherty <lauren.daugherty at lp.org>
wrote:

> I gave notice on June 18. I wanted to give as much notice as possible, to
> help with the transition. I was able to give 6 weeks notice, so I did so. I
> could have started my new job sooner but wanted to continue to go above and
> beyond for the LP as I exit my position on staff. We are now 3 weeks into
> that 6 weeks.
>
> --
> Lauren Daugherty
> Development Director
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:34 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I have an additional point- I keep hearing about the time urgency, but
>> when
>> did Lauren give her notice?  I know when we were told, but is the same
>> day?
>> Most businesses at least immediately start recruiting for key positions.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:21 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Nick,
>> >
>> > I don't see you advocating for this set-up, but explaining and/or
>> > answering many of the questions and concerns that have been voiced.
>> > Thank you for that.
>> >
>> > Nor, do I see you advocating for your own financial gain, as the LP
>> > can't afford to pay much. You'd make more money in the private sector,
>> > than with a cash-strapped non-profit. (The LP)  If anything, you'd be
>> > sacrificing potential income under this proposed set-up. I see your
>> > explanation in a positive light, and appreciate you even considering
>> > such a dual-headache-role.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure having one person doing fundraising and press-secretary, is
>> > a good idea. Unless we clone Lauren. She had a 'very particular set of
>> > skills', and not easily replaced. (movie pun intentional ; )
>> >
>> > You've explained how you'd have the time, and willing to take on the
>> > dual role.  IF, such an arrangement were made, you'd be not unlike
>> > Lauren. You both have young children at home, live in a state a great
>> > distance to LPHQ, and would need to travel extensively, behalf of the
>> > LP. You have the advantage of being "the Chair", which carries gravitas.
>> >   If you stepped down from the Chair position, you'd lose the luster of
>> > that position, and I see no benefit to the LP if you were to be "a
>> > former Chair", now fundraiser-guy.
>> >
>> > My biggest concern is whether you'd be able to do what Lauren did.
>> > Willingness aside, would you be able to do what is needed? I don't think
>> > any of us can answer that.  Much for the LNC to ponder.
>> >
>> > Cheers all, and look forward to in-person discussion later this month.
>> >
>> > EVH
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> > http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2019-07-09 02:34, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > Dear All,
>> > >
>> > > I want to directly address the questions Mr. Fishman raised and those
>> > > questions that have been raised in the discussion about Mr. Fishman's
>> > > proposal that I can answer.
>> > >
>> > > I am no longer involved in day-to-day operations at the car dealership
>> > > and
>> > > loan company, so am able to accept other full-time employment. If the
>> > > LNC
>> > > were to approve a contract that was mutually agreeable, I would be
>> > > available for full-time efforts as long as necessary.
>> > >
>> > > I agree that creating a salary that would be attached the Chair's
>> > > position
>> > > would require the approval of the delegates at convention. There are
>> > > good
>> > > arguments on both sides of that issue as an organization. This
>> > > situation is
>> > > about filling in a temporary gap in our capabilities without delay
>> > > while we
>> > > seek a candidate to fill the Development Director position and while
>> we
>> > > are
>> > > without a Press Secretary. I am willing to take on those extra duties,
>> > > but
>> > > can't spend my work week on it without being paid for my time.
>> > >
>> > > Some people have suggested that the position be commission only. I
>> > > would
>> > > not be comfortable with that. There are advantages in fundraising to
>> my
>> > > position in the organization that would create the potential for very
>> > > large
>> > > commissions that would take away from the resources we need to spend
>> on
>> > > party projects and operations. My preference would be an agreed on
>> flat
>> > > hourly rate.
>> > >
>> > > Some have suggested that I should do all of the necessary fundraising
>> > > as a
>> > > volunteer. I would love to be independently wealthy and to be able to
>> > > spend
>> > > all of my working hours on the position of National Chair, but that is
>> > > not
>> > > the situation I am in at this point in my life. If the LNC chooses not
>> > > to
>> > > move in this direction, I will find a different opportunity to spend
>> > > the
>> > > bulk of my working week on, but I would like to spend that time on
>> > > doing
>> > > what the Libertarian Party needs at this critical time.
>> > >
>> > > Yours truly,
>> > > Nick
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the LP. It
>> > >> was
>> > >> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen when
>> > >> we had
>> > >> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented itself
>> now
>> > >> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we are
>> > >> talking
>> > >> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never
>> > >> elected a
>> > >> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
>> > >>
>> > >> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level decision,
>> but
>> > >> one
>> > >> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the
>> > >> financial
>> > >> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not fear
>> > >> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are failing.
>> > >> This is
>> > >> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect to
>> > >> be
>> > >> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that
>> > >> includes
>> > >> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate the
>> > >> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next attempt.
>> > >>
>> > >> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively
>> minimum
>> > >> risk
>> > >> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am asking
>> > >> to
>> > >> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as a
>> > >> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would reverberate
>> > >> till
>> > >> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every
>> future
>> > >> LNC
>> > >> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope) will
>> > >> lead
>> > >> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have
>> > >> essentially
>> > >> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
>> > >>
>> > >> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you if
>> > >> you
>> > >> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC first. I
>> > >> have
>> > >> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would
>> > >> indeed
>> > >> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel of
>> > >> your
>> > >> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract should
>> > >> one
>> > >> be offered?
>> > >>
>> > >> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
>> > >> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As such
>> > >> the
>> > >> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to see
>> if
>> > >> it
>> > >> increases our revenue.
>> > >>
>> > >> ---
>> > >> Daniel Fishman
>> > >> Executive Director
>> > >> The Libertarian Party
>> > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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