[Lnc-business] Motion to censure Benjamin Leder

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

There was a successful motion to censure Moore out of Nevada last term.
The authority comes from RONR not the Bylaws.  We can literally make a
resolution to condemn any person or statement - it an expression of
disapproval that doesn't require membership (though I am fairly certain Mr.
Leder is a national member).



*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can effect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  I am asking you to help
me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*



On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:33 PM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Can someone please point me to the section of the bylaws or even the
> policy manual where the procedures are outlined for dolling out
> disciplinary measures against party members and non nominated candidates
> who are not members of the LNC, nor acting in any official capacity as a
> representative of the party.
>
> Or even the section that gives this body the authority to "punish" party
> members who do not serve on this deliberative body?
>
> Or is this just personal for some people who don't like Ben?
>
> Sure what he said may have been distasteful, and even contrary to our
> principles. But no one was talking about it and I'd heard nothing about it
> until members of the LNC decided to start advertising the fact. Whereas
> I've seen actual news coverage of "Libertarian Party Members" condemning
> the pride movement as disgusting, and protesting against a celebration of a
> movement the LP has supported since its inception. Are we going to censure
> them too?
>
> What about the Socialists who advocate violent seizure of private property
> and campaign for public office with that platform on the Libertarian line?
> Are we going to censure them too?
>
> We never censured Augustus Invictus before he left? Should we jump on that
> now in case he tries to come back? What about Chris Cantwell? Or neck,
> Nathan Larson, I know at least one person who's way more upset about him
> than Ben Leder.
>
> The simple fact is, I'm not convinced that the LNC even has the authority
> to censure someone who isnt a member of this body, nor would it have any
> teeth to be enforced if we did. Last time we censured someone, it WAS a
> member of this body, and all it accomplished was blowing up their audience,
> getting new coverage of what they were saying in Reason and other media
> outlets, as well as making him louder and more determined to be the martyr
> we were making him.
>
> I will not co-sponsor a motion that serves no purpose, and I will not vote
> to punish a party member in a manner which I'm convinced exceeds the
> authority and duties of this committee.
>
> Justin O'Donnell
> LNC Region 8 Representative
>
> On Jul 11, 2019 12:17 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> John, you violated my IP.  That will be one ham please.
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:16 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>
> wrote:
>
> > As Nick ruled the objection not well-taken I’ll start the ballot.
> >
> > I ask my fellow LNC members not to dismiss Elizabeth’s concerns.  Maybe
> I
> > watch too many crime documentaries but people be cray.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I disagree with the move to take conversation "off list".
> >>
> >> We are discussing whether to censure one of our members. Nothing should
> >> be more open and transparent than that.  A motion brought publicly and
> >> having the appropriate number of co-sponsors to move forward.
> >>
> >> If you wish to vote no, vote no, if you think it should be handled by a
> >> different body, say so.  If you don't want to discuss don't.
> >>
> >> Hell, if you think it calls for some form of "executive session" at
> least
> >> have the "testicular fortitude", to steal a phrase from another member
> of
> >> this body, to call for that publicly.
> >>
> >>
> >> John Phillips
> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>
> > --
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's
> Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can effect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  I am asking you to
> help
> > me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
> >
> > --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can effect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  I am asking you to
> help
> me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
>
>
>