[Lnc-business] Resolution supporting Dream and Promise Act - request for co-sponsors

Thu Sep 5 19:58:38 EDT 2019

Thank you.  I will start a ballot soon.

I do get a kick out of a radical anarchist being the one to advocate and
realize that the perfect cannot be the enemy of the good and that waiting
for the perfect legislation is like hunting for the chupacabra.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 4:20 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> I’ll co-sponsor as a courtesy
>
> Although knowing that there is some bill language that is imperfect that
> some object to, is there a reason why the motion can’t be worded in a way
> that affirms what aspects of the bill we support without supporting its
> entirety. I understand bills are likely to be imperfect but I don’t think
> it would take out much impact to say “we support the portions of the
> Promise act that achieve X”.
>
> So while I certainly support the spirit of the motion I can certainly see
> the flaws in the symbolic nature of saying we support the bill passage in
> its entirety.
>
> Although, may the historical record show I’m in full support of all
> measures that would increase the free movement of capital, people, goods
> and services in full or in part. :)
>
>
>
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
> > On Sep 5, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Goldstein, the *immigrant *community that asked me to ask the LNC to
> > support may be observing this.  Once again, I am embarrassed at how rude
> we
> > can be.
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 2:48 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> People often ignore co-sponsor requests.  I had to actively go get ones
> >> for minutes.
> >>
> >> Nick could yes.
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:42 PM <brent.olsen at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Couldn't Nick just make this an email ballot himself, as that does seem
> >>> the appropriate thing to do considering it was removed from the agenda
> >>> at the last meeting in order to save time, with the idea that it would
> >>> be handled via email ballot...  On the other hand, if it can't get
> >>> enough co-sponsors, how likely is it to pass?
> >>> -Brent
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2019-09-05 10:31, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>> Nick, please consider this my request for agenda time next meeting if
> >>>> there
> >>>> are not sponsors for an email ballot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Either way, this is going to be heard.
> >>>>
> >>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>
> >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>>> faux
> >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:29 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Before I ever agree to put anything to email ballot again I will
> >>>>> insist on
> >>>>> it being sponsored then and there.  When a person agrees to shorten a
> >>>>> meeting, it is absolutely discourteous to not sponsor to at least get
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> vote heard.  No one needs to discuss but to agree to send to email
> >>>>> ballot
> >>>>> and then call having said email ballot is a waste of time is a crappy
> >>>>> thing
> >>>>> to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>>>> anyone
> >>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>>>> faux
> >>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:11 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> As Caryn Ann pointed out and we all discussed at the time, this was
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>> agenda item from our last meeting so I would hardly consider us
> >>>>>> attempting
> >>>>>> to wrap up a previous agenda item as a waste of time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To not resolve this discussion would be to guarantee that I never
> >>>>>> vote to
> >>>>>> push anything from a meeting to discuss by email ever again. Count
> on
> >>>>>> some
> >>>>>> long(er) meetings going forward if this becomes a way for items of
> >>>>>> discussion to be avoided all together by feigning discussion to
> email
> >>>>>> without actual intention to do so.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alternatively, I would cosponsor an e-meeting if that is the
> >>>>>> preference of
> >>>>>> the body to handle such things. Something tells me that most would
> >>>>>> prefer
> >>>>>> email instead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> >>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>> 931.538.9300
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, 08:00 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I will express again my concern about wasting LNC time on
> >>> meaningless
> >>>>>>> resolutions and will not co-sponsor, discuss or vote on this
> matter.
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
> >>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2019-09-05 10:34, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sorry it took so long, I was reviewing the language in question.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree with the concerns, but I also agree with Ms Harlos' on her
> >>>>>>> reasoning on the answer to those concerns.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So I will also sponsor
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> John Phillips
> >>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2019 8:55 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> >>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I still have concerns but since discussion isn't happening without
> >>>>>>> cosponsorship, I will go ahead and cosponsor and would love for
> >>> those
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> opposition to share their thoughts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA,
> WY)
> >>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>> 931.538.9300
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, 18:45 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes.  Ms. Adams objected to some of the requirements.  However,
> >>> these
> >>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> requirements that are required of citizens (whether or not we
> >>> agree
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> them) and do not want to support giving them a path here?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We can support the path here and oppose those requirements on
> >>>>>> everyone,
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>> just foreign nationals.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> Syndrome
> >>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>> social
> >>>>>>> faux
> >>>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 11:20 AM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> >>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This is the one that some people were concerned about some of
> >>> the
> >>>>>> bill
> >>>>>>>>> language?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> John Phillips
> >>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2019 11:30 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bumpity.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>>>>> Syndrome
> >>>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>>>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>> social
> >>>>>>> faux
> >>>>>>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >>>>>> know.
> >>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:03 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As deferred from the last meeting to be handled by email
> >>> ballot, I
> >>>>>>> seek
> >>>>>>>>>> co-sponsors for the following resolution:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Resolved, until such time that the immigration process in the
> >>>>>> United
> >>>>>>>>>> States of America acknowledges the human right of peaceful
> >>> people
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> move
> >>>>>>>>>> freely across national borders,  the Libertarian National
> >>>>>> Committee
> >>>>>>>>>> supports the passage of the American Dream and Promise Act by
> >>> the
> >>>>>> US
> >>>>>>>>> House
> >>>>>>>>>> and urges the US Senate to pass same.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Attached is the information also that is from the One Note
> >>> from
> >>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>>>> meeting.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Also here is the link from congress.gov:
> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>>>>>> Syndrome
> >>>>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> >>> If
> >>>>>>> anyone
> >>>>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>>>>> social
> >>>>>>>>> faux
> >>>>>>>>>> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let
> >>> me
> >>>>>>> know.
> >>>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >>
>
>