[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 190906-1 RESOLUTION ON DREAM AND PROMISE ACT

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Pardon me, I meant Mr. Bishop-Henchman, didn't mean to shorten your name.

*  In Liberty,*
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On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 10:08 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mr. Henchman, those are reasonable reasons.  My response is on the first
> point, that already happens, so the more weighty concern IMHO is the second
> one.  However, their position is not as secure as you say and it needs to
> be weighed whether it is better to give legal recognition with conditions
> (that are limited to this group) in order to give them security and
> stability to plan their lives.  Their current status is "illegal" and
> anyone can decide to remain in that status but others may, in their own
> rational self-interest and calculation, determine they are willing to do
> that for the security.  Since this was brought to me by members of that
> community, I think they deserve the chance to make that decision for
> themselves.  It is a messed up situation and these people want some
> certainty.  There is not a realistic alternative now, and if Trump wins
> again, there will not be.  If were one of those folks, I would want the
> opportunity to make that decision for myself.  That is why I support.
> Given the choice between this and the status quo and the fact that anyone
> can simply choose to stay in the status quo and fight against it, I don't
> want to close the door to those who want any opportunity for security.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> *  In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.  *
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:54 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I vote no.
>>
>> (Joe, your statement is convincing.)
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>
>>
>> On 2019-09-06 11:45, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > I vote no.
>> >
>> > I am not totally against passing resolutions endorsing specific
>> > legislation, although (as I wrote in April) I understand and respect
>> > those who prefer the LNC generally not take policy positions on
>> > anything, or at least things outside of ballot access and electoral
>> > issues. We aren't a legislative body and we aren't set up to evaluate
>> > legislation nor is there much evidence that we add anything by doing
>> > so.
>> >
>> > Someone suggested instead passing a generalized statement on the
>> > issue, which I do not favor because it (a) is puts us at
>> > cross-purposes with the Platform Committee and (b) shows us as
>> > disconnected from the actual issues of the current day. I would prefer
>> > that if we are going to endorse and lobby for things, that we have
>> > something of a strategy rather than random one-offs. But I have no
>> > doubt immigration and the terrible situation the DACA recipients are
>> > in would make any top issues list.
>> >
>> > However, if I was a congressperson or a Senator, I would vote against
>> > H.R. 6. The poison pill for me is Section 111(c)(3) of the bill, which
>> > gives the Secretary of Homeland Security total discretion to deny
>> > green cards (and thereby begin deportation proceedings) to any Dreamer
>> > he/she decides are a threat to public safety, concludes have ever been
>> > placed in a juvenile facility, or decides is or was a member of a
>> > street gang. You better believe this President would love that power,
>> > which he currently does not have. The status quo is that these people
>> > are staying and he can't kick them out. This provision was why Rep.
>> > Amash voted against this bill when it was considered by the House.
>> >
>> > There is also the provision, Section 122, flagged by Ms. Adams at our
>> > last meeting, which requires DACA recipients to submit biometric
>> > information or else face deportation, a government power we should be
>> > rolling back, not expanding.
>> >
>> > As a pragmatist, I know the importance of not letting the perfect get
>> > in the way of the good. But in my opinion, the status quo is
>> > preferable to this bill passing.
>> >
>> > JBH
>> >
>> > ------------
>> > Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> > LNC Member (At-Large)
>> > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>
>> >
>> > On 2019-09-06 04:49, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> >>
>> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by September 13, 2019 at
>> >> 11:59:59 pm
>> >> Pacific time.
>> >>
>> >> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
>> >>
>> >> =============================================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *Motion: *Resolved, until such time that the immigration process in
>> >> the
>> >> United States of America acknowledges the human right of peaceful
>> >> people to
>> >> move freely across national borders, the Libertarian National
>> >> Committee
>> >> supports the passage of the American Dream and Promise Act by the US
>> >> House
>> >> and urges the US Senate to pass same.
>> >>
>> >> =============================================
>> >>
>> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: 3/4 as per the following Bylaw:
>> >>
>> >> ARTICLE 7: NATIONAL CONVENTION
>> >>
>>
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