[Lnc-business] Fwd: Re: FINAL BYLAWS PACKET

[Alicia Mattson]

I just want to note some loose usage of the term "parliamentarian" as it
has been used here recently.

The lay-person's usage may be that anyone who is more familiar with RONR
than they are is considered a parliamentarian, however, within the National
Association of Parliamentarians one must have attained an actual
certification to be considered a parliamentarian.

Though it may seem strange, even being a member of the NAP does not make
one a parliamentarian.  NAP members are people who have shown an interest
in learning parliamentary procedure, but until a person actually receives
at least a Registered Parliamentarian certification, they are merely
members and not parliamentarians.  There has been NAP organizational debate
about this misleading nomenclature, that NAP members are mistakenly
perceived by the outside world to be parliamentarians, suggesting that
until a certification is received that we call them "associates" or some
such instead of "members."  I remember one woman in particular who debated
against such a proposal saying that "Associates work at Walmart, but I'm a
member!"

So let's be careful about saying John Doe is a parliamentarian.  Just
because he has some familiarity with RONR, it doesn't mean he has a
certification.

-Alicia


On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 12:21 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> And I also am taking the opportunity to recommend certain folks and
> interact with Mr. Bishop-Henchman's suggestions.  While not all his choices
> are mine, I only disagree with one, and that is Andy Craig.  I nominated
> Mr. Craig last term and spoke on his behalf - primarily because I believe
> that "factions" need to be put aside, and as a radical, I felt it important
> that I advocate for a pragmatist.  However, he was incredibly difficult to
> deal with and was downright nasty.  Mr. Craig is brilliant but until he
> learns how to get along with people who strongly disagree with him without
> turning on the sarcasm (even his answers on his application are sarcastic
> when it came to the question on committee transparency), I will never
> advocate for him again.  I don't normally speak against anyone, but my
> experience with him was that bad to break my usual practice.
>
> I will not vote or support anyone not involved with their state or local
> parties nor anyone who has not attended a national convention. There are
> committees that are very suitable training grounds. This is not one of
> them.  I also will not vote for anyone who does not support full committee
> transparency.
>
> As national party membership is required, Joe Burnes is disqualified as he
> says his dues have lapsed.  Mike Starnes may not actually be a national
> member.
>
> My ten choices are:
>
> Myself - I served last term and have been deeply involved with completely
> overhauling the LPCO bylaws which have been praised by parliamentarians.  I
> also am a member of the National Association of Parliamentarians and am
> studying for the next level of certification.  I was able to reach across
> the aisle to Mr. Bishop-Henchman to compromise so that we both had the
> opportunity to present proposals we care about deeply, and I even spoke on
> the floor in favour of his proposal in the spirit of cooperation and
> amity.  I can only assume that I was not recommended by JBH despite helping
> him pass something very important to him because I am the current
> Secretary.  I disagree that it would interfere with the presentation of the
> report.  It has never interfered with Ms. Mattson's duties in the past, and
> her being secretary did not have any negative impact on JBH's presentation
> of the report.
>
> Mike Seebeck - He is a fantastically hard worker, and proficient
> parliamentarian.  He and I are both responsible for the LPCO bylaws
> overhaul.  I know he has applied for both committees and he is one of the
> few who can more than handle it.  It is hard to earn my unabashed respect.
> Mr. Seebeck has it in spades.  When he was on alternate on the last
> platform committee, he did more work than any of the primary members.
>
> Richard Longstreth - He is another Colorado alum who was instrumental in
> turning that state party around and his absence is so obvious, and is
> Colorado's loss.
>
> Chuck Moulton - He and I disagree often, but his work ethic and integrity
> are beyond reproach.
>
> Richard Fast - hard, hard worker and solid Libertarian
>
> Aya Katz - she has thought through the issues carefully and studied the
> bylaws
>
> Elishiva Levin - hard worker who has the historical foundation
>
> Christopher Trasher - he is a man of intergrity and decorum
>
> Kenneth Olsen - great work ethic and necessary background
>
> Shawn Levasseur - very active in following the party issues on IPR
>
> Others that I would consider Joe Bishop-Henchman, David Blau, Spencer Dias,
> Rebecca Lau, Fransisco Lorzno, George Peacock, Thomas Rowlette, Ron
> Schnell, Paige Sexton
>
> Mr. Bishop-Henchman was not in my top ten list because he has ignored all
> attempts at collaboration and I have made many.  I believe it is important
> we be open to all overtures, and that leaders in different factions go out
> of their way to build those bridges.
>
>
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 12:30 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Attached is V3.  What changed is the addition of Starchild's application.
> > Correcting Duke/David Van Horn's application and forcing the pdf
> assembler
> > to renumber the TOC.  I had to talk to it very sternly.
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:35 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Joe, that's a good list.
> >>
> >> I'd also like everyone to consider Chris Wiest.  He's the Chair of LP
> >> Kentucky, a lawyer who's worked on multiple cases on behalf of
> >> Libertarian Party members. Chris has attention to detail, a good eye for
> >> streamlining, and is able to negotiate through a disagreement.  Chris
> >> Wiest is a solid choice.
> >>
> >> An applicant I was impressed with is Albert Veldhuyzen of Virginia. He
> >> has an amazing stance and opinions stated in his application.  Plus, a
> >> history that I think would lend to being an asset to the committee.  (I
> >> realize he doesn't meet the threshold of having attended at least one
> >> previous convention, but I think he should be considered.)
> >>
> >> Cheers all,
> >> EVH
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2019-10-26 00:53, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > Colleagues,
> >> >
> >> > In advance of our e-meeting later today, I wanted to take the
> >> > opportunity to make a pitch for some of the Bylaws candidates in the
> >> > packet. This will certainly be a hard decision - we have many
> >> > excellent choices for the ten slots.
> >> >
> >> > While I was Bylaws chair for only a few weeks, I'm convinced of the
> >> > importance of varied perspectives, balancing regions, having people
> >> > with the ability to work collaboratively and persuasively, and the
> >> > importance of members having attended at least one previous convention
> >> > so they have direct appreciation for the bylaws and convention rules
> >> > that they'll be in charge of modifying.
> >> >
> >> > 1. Richard Longstreth/AZ (LNC)
> >> > I think everyone is familiar with Mr. Longstreth's work ethic,
> >> > thoroughness, and effectiveness.
> >> >
> >> > 2. Paige Sexton/TN (LNC)
> >> > Ms. Sexton reviewed successful bylaws changes in her state party, and
> >> > I saw her lead that portion of the convention persuasively and
> >> > effectively.
> >> >
> >> > 3. Mark Rutherford/IN
> >> > Mr. Rutherford has attended every convention since 2000 and serves on
> >> > multiple non-profit boards, and his law practice includes work on
> >> > governance document best practices.
> >> >
> >> > 4. Kenneth Brent Olsen/CA (LNC)
> >> > Dr. Olsen is chair of his state's bylaws committee, producing a very
> >> > impressive PowerPoint presentation on the topic and effectively
> >> > shepherding the proposals through.
> >> >
> >> > 5. Alicia Mattson/CA (LNC) (alum)
> >> > Ms. Mattson and I have been on opposite sides many times this year,
> >> > and were often on opposite sides on the Bylaws Committee last term as
> >> > well. But her points were always precisely reasoned, with every I
> >> > dotted and T crossed. She rolled up her sleeves on ideas she opposed
> >> > to make them better. I would not support Ms. Mattson if she was still
> >> > Secretary, as both jobs unfortunately meant she was wearing multiple
> >> > hats when we needed to present the report. Luckily for this purpose,
> >> > she is not!
> >> >
> >> > 6. Chuck Moulton/PA (alum)
> >> > Dr. Moulton was honest broker on many of our proposals last term. He
> >> > genuinely looks at stuff as to whether it's good for the party, and
> >> > has a strong parliamentarian and historical experience background.
> >> > Whenever I disagreed with him, it usually bore out that he was correct
> >> > in the end.
> >> >
> >> > 7. Andy Craig/MD-WI-AR (alum)
> >> > Mr. Craig ended up being a swing vote with me on many of the proposals
> >> > last term, and can be counted on to think through the strengths and
> >> > weaknesses of every idea the committee would consider.
> >> >
> >> > 8. Cris Crawford/MA
> >> > Ms. Crawford has been a Party member since 1980, has chaired her state
> >> > party's convention, and is an extraordinarily effective activist at
> >> > petition gathering, finance, leadership, organization, and public
> >> > relations.
> >> >
> >> > 9. myself/DC (LNC) (alum)
> >> > I'd be honored for the opportunity to serve on the committee again.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am still figuring out my tenth vote, but was impressed by the
> >> > applications of Thomas Rowlette of Missouri, though I don't know much
> >> > about him, Spencer Dias of New Hampshire, and Elishiva Levin of New
> >> > Mexico.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > JBH
> >> >
> >> > ------------
> >> > Joe Bishop-Henchman
> >> > LNC Member (At-Large)
> >> > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> >
> >> > On 2019-10-25 15:21, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> >> FYI the page numbers in the Bylaws packet do not match up with the
> >> >> table of contents.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm reaching out to people who applied to both Bylaws and Platform to
> >> >> inquire personally as to their preference between them. There's
> >> >> nothing wrong with being on both and many people have in the past -
> as
> >> >> I note in my email - but I don't intend to vote for anyone to be on
> >> >> both committees due to the time and focus commitment they both
> >> >> require. If anyone else would like to have the responses I get, I can
> >> >> send them to you off-list.
> >> >>
> >> >> JBH
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------
> >> >> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> >> >> LNC Member (At-Large)
> >> >> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> >> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2019-10-24 12:11, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> >>> Forwarded to public list.
> >>
> >
>