[Lnc-business] Director of Development

Tue Oct 29 15:52:24 EDT 2019

And I’m curious about the choice of words “proposed contract.”

Is it final and signed or not?

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Why is a request on the list - which is public - not sufficient?
>
> This seems like gamesmanship.
>
> This list is read by all the involved parties.
>
> This is my request for that contract.
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:41 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Did either of you contact the Executive Director to ask for a copy of the
>> proposed contract? If not, I would recommend that procedure.
>>
>> Yours truly,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I am noticing that there is selective ignoring of requests.
>> >
>> > I will remind the ED and Chair that playing favorites on requests is
>> beyond
>> > inappropriate.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:46 PM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Again I want to go on record as objecting to deletions of posts here
>> and
>> > > enter a new objection about the thread being made private from our
>> > members
>> > >
>> > > On Oct 29, 2019 10:42 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thank you.  Then that is irrelevant to this issue at that time.  It
>> may
>> > > explain why Larry did something so out of character.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:25 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I can answer that ish. I dont have exact dates in front of me however
>> I
>> > > was party to the early attempt to reach out to Mr
>> > >  Sharpe concerning this position by Mr. Smith. I had been told quite
>> some
>> > > time BEFORE the podcast that conversation concerning this position
>> > between
>> > > Mr. Fishman and Mr. Sharpe had not been fruitful, that Mr. Fishman
>> made
>> > the
>> > > job seem "unappealing"
>> > >
>> > > On Oct 29, 2019 9:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thank you.  Mr Fishman, was is the he timing of that in relation to
>> the
>> > > determination this would not work out.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:27 AM Justin O'Donnell <
>> justin.odonnell at lp.org
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > The date of that Podcast, and Larry's remarks, was October 7th.
>> > > >
>> > > > ---
>> > > > Yours in Liberty,
>> > > >
>> > > > Justin O'Donnell
>> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > > Candidate for US Senate, NH
>> > > > www.justinodonnell.me
>> > > > www.odonnell2020.com
>> > > >
>> > > > Renew your membership today at
>> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>> > > >
>> > > > On 2019-10-29 10:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > > > What was the timing of that podcast?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I’m aghast at how Mr. Chastain has been treated.  However, it’s
>> > > > > not fair to use an event after the fact as a reason for denial in
>> > > > > favour of a nonParty member without the requisite experience.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face.  We HAD a great DD and
>> > > > > did nothing to keep her.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:54 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business
>> > > > > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> I'm just curious, has Larry Sharpe apologized or walked back the
>> > > > >> comments he recently made on his "Sharpe Way " Podcast attacking
>> > > > >> some of
>> > > > >> the LNC's larger donors calling them out by name, and insulting
>> > > > >> them,
>> > > > >> calling them "bullies" and such because they wouldn't donate to
>> his
>> > > > >> or
>> > > > >> Maj Toure's campaigns?
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Larry may have ran a great campaign, but I believe he's smart
>> enough
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >> not have publicly trashed our donors if he actually wanted the
>> > > > >> position
>> > > > >> as Development Director, as opposed to pitching to redefine the
>> > > > >> position's scope to include public appearances that would utilize
>> > > > >> Party
>> > > > >> Resources to promote Larry Sharpe.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Larry, and think he largely does
>> > > > >> great
>> > > > >> work for the movement, but publicly insulting LNC Donors is
>> > > > >> something he
>> > > > >> shouldn't have done if he wanted to give the impression that He
>> > > > >> would
>> > > > >> have been a good fit for this position.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> ---
>> > > > >> Yours in Liberty,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Justin O'Donnell
>> > > > >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > > >> Candidate for US Senate, NH
>> > > > >> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
>> > > > >> www.odonnell2020.com [2]
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Renew your membership today at
>> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
>> > > > >> !
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On 2019-10-28 12:31, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > > >>> I find it hard to believe that you were worried that someone who
>> > > > >> quite
>> > > > >>> literally trains C level executives as his profession would not
>> > > > >>> understand the nuts and bolts of development and team building.
>> Or
>> > > > >>> fundraising for that matter. Especially considering the amount
>> of
>> > > > >>> money he was able to raise in his race. Much of which came
>> > > > >> directly
>> > > > >>> from his face to face time with donors.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Larry was able to train tons of people to be better campaign
>> > > > >>> volunteers, and amassed quite an amazing team during his
>> > > > >> Gubernatorial
>> > > > >>> campaign.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> He is a born leader with a huge national following and donors on
>> > > > >> speed
>> > > > >>> dial.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> I am very upset to hear that he was passed over for someone that
>> > > > >>> hasn't put any time in to building our party, or building
>> > > > >>> relationships with our donors.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> I agree that this needs to have time on the schedule for the LNC
>> > > > >>> meeting.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> -Joshua
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:26 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> > > > >>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>> EVH.  We are not familiar and I request you stick to
>> formalities.
>> > > > >>>> You are
>> > > > >>>> completely out of bounds and are no expert.  And telling
>> someone
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>> not
>> > > > >>>> exercise their rights is also out of bounds.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> I want no further interaction with you on this topic.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> > > > >>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Caryn Ann, as I stated in my reply to your private email back
>> in
>> > > > >>>> July, one
>> > > > >>>>> of my sons was diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder in
>> > > > >> 4th
>> > > > >>>> grade.
>> > > > >>>>> (I also have a nephew with moderate to severe autism)
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> I've advocated on behalf of those with autism for decades.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> This exchange is happening because you reacted to someone
>> > > > >> pointing
>> > > > >>>> out
>> > > > >>>>> that you were rude.   Yet, you persist with threats and
>> > > > >>>> accusations.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> If you seriously want guidance, and disregard fellow LNC
>> members
>> > > > >>>> pointing
>> > > > >>>>> out perceived rudeness, than perhaps the guidance you need is
>> > > > >>>> beyond our
>> > > > >>>>> ability.  You may wish to seek guidance elsewhere.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Meanwhile, please stop with the threats and accusations.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> ---
>> > > > >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > > >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> On 2019-10-28 11:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> I will be writing Ms. Sexton privately.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> At the risk of further ridicule, I have autism.  I am hyper
>> > > > >> aware
>> > > > >>>> that I
>> > > > >>>>> can be unintentionally blunt.  My email signature is a request
>> > > > >> for
>> > > > >>>> help.
>> > > > >>>>> The public bullying and shaming is abusive and if I were a
>> > > > >>>> statist,
>> > > > >>>>> completely violative of my "civil rights."
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> There is some serious education needed here about productive
>> > > > >> ways
>> > > > >>>> to deal
>> > > > >>>>> with people with my disability.  EVH is completely over the
>> top
>> > > > >>>> but Mr.
>> > > > >>>>> Bishop-Henchman's consistent habit of reading the worst
>> possible
>> > > > >>>> intent
>> > > > >>>>> into things I say is completely prejudicial.  I've tried to
>> talk
>> > > > >>>> to him
>> > > > >>>>> privately about  it and he ignores every attempt.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> For anyone who cares to be understanding here is some
>> education.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://www.crisisprevention.com/Blog/September-2012/Tips-for-Interacting-With-People-With-Autism
>> > > > >>>>> Point number 4 is pertinent in all communication.  Number 8 is
>> > > > >> as
>> > > > >>>> well.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> https://nationalautismassociation.org/its-not-rude-its-autism/
>> > > > >>>>> https://researchautism.org/ten-things-autism-isnt/
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> I am not going to stand for this abuse.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> I AM NOT asking to be excused from perceived rudeness.  I am
>> > > > >>>> asking for
>> > > > >>>>> the perfectly reasonable and ethical accommodation of
>> guidance.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> And no this is not a threat but I have reached out to a
>> > > > >>>> disability
>> > > > >>>>> advocate lawyer.  I WILL be treated with the human dignity I
>> > > > >>>> deserve.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:14 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org
>> >
>> > > > >>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> While I can certainly see where the comment directed at
>> > > > >> Alternate
>> > > > >>>> Sexton
>> > > > >>>>>> crossed a line, I also think some of the response to it did
>> as
>> > > > >>>> well.
>> > > > >>>>>> "Fault" isnt always a one way street.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> To the matter at hand, after reading the most recent email
>> from
>> > > > >>>> Mr.
>> > > > >>>>>> Fishman I am not anymore comfortable with this current
>> decision
>> > > > >>>> nor the
>> > > > >>>>>> perceived circumstances surrounding this hire.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Im disgusted by the recent chain of events and flabbergasted
>> > > > >> that
>> > > > >>>> I seem
>> > > > >>>>>> to be in the minority in feeling so.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Erin, I agree.  I would suggest though, that someone speak to
>> > > > >> our
>> > > > >>>> LNC
>> > > > >>>>>> secretary about attacks on LNC members on this list.  If she
>> > > > >>>> hadn't gone
>> > > > >>>>>> and lobbed rudeness at Paige Sexton, there would be no
>> > > > >> exchange.
>> > > > >>>> I'm not
>> > > > >>>>>> going to stand by why an LNC member does that, nor be
>> silenced
>> > > > >>>> when it
>> > > > >>>>>> happens.  This is a pattern, and the beginning has a source.
>> > > > >>>>>> ---
>> > > > >>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > > >>>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On 2019-10-28 09:26, Erin Adams wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> I would very much like to get back to the topic of this
>> > > > >>>> discussion and
>> > > > >>>>>> perhaps handle personal disagreements in another email chain.
>> > > > >>>>>> The personal back and forth above distracts from the very
>> > > > >> serious
>> > > > >>>> issue
>> > > > >>>>>> at hand imo
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 3:13 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Take it to the proper channels.  Thank you.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
>> > > > >>>>>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> --
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> *In Liberty,*
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > > > >>>> Syndrome
>> > > > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > > > >>>> anyone
>> > > > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > > > >> social
>> > > > >>>> faux
>> > > > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > > >  --
>> > > > >
>> > > > > IN LIBERTY,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > __
>> > > > >
>> > > > > _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > > > > anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> other
>> > > > > social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Links:
>> > > > > ------
>> > > > > [1] http://www.justinodonnell.me
>> > > > > [2] http://www.odonnell2020.com
>> > > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *