[Lnc-business] Response - to not derail another thread.

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Thank you Erin and John.  I hope JBH will take a good hard look at what he
said, and the pretty obvious bias and singling out.

I will say again, EVERYONE has a part.  And EVERYONE needs to be willing to
discuss without trying to villianize anyone or make them feel worthless.

I will relate here a story I often share.  Many people have a life verse.
I have a life hymn, and it is They Will Know We Are Christians By Our Love.

But I apply it secularly to all people regardless of faith or no faith.
And the point I take from it is these lines:

“We will guard each man’s dignity and save each man’s pride”

No one should ever walk away from a discussion feeling completely
degraded.  And if someone does, the person causing it needs to make things
right.

Love covers a multitude of sins.  We need to practice lovingkindness and
call others to same realizing at times we will fail miserably and granting
the grace to others we would like.

We are all different.  Difference =/= bad.



On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:36 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Ill agree that it is very one sided.
> Secretary Harlos is not alone in actions such as this and many many times
> is responding in "self defense" to others on this list. There was at least
> one time that she was responding, rightfully, to me.
>
> Others here, myself included, are guilty of the same and quite honestly,
> more egregious, speech .
>
> Ill not engage in finger pointing but will point out that many of us have
> committed these same violations and it isn't honest to paint it otherwise.
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2019 8:12 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> I am responding here to attempt to keep from derailing another thread of
> concerns that are held by both members of this board and members of this
> party we were elected to represent.
>
> While your list of terms is not inaccurate, I find it to be extremely one
> sided and lacking detail is some very important ways.
>
> It neglects that many times her use of terms like that was in response to
> someone else on the attack, and after repeated issues. It also neglects
> that often those terms were used in a general sense directed at a situation
> rather than an idividual.
>
> It also neglects the number of times that those phrases, while perhaps not
> the most delicate phrasing, were accurate and sometimes deserved.
>
> As someone who has had quite strenuous disagreements with Mrs Harlos, and
> observed those of others, that is what I have seen, even admittedly in my
> own disagreements with her.
>
> In addition it neglects the use of terms in the same vein by others
> against her, as well as others on this body.  Sometimes with myself at the
> receiving end, and I particularly remember a public diatribe against me by
> someone else on this board that involved quite a bit of profanity on my
> personal FB page, bad enough that people were reaching out to me and the
> author deleted it.
>
> That does not even get into the more vieled insults that have been thrown
> around by many, or patronizing responses - of which yours is an example,
> though not the most egregious by far.
>
> If one were to hold the same HR standards up, I doubt she would even be
> the first let go.  I would admit to perhaps being a candidate early on
> myself, at least for a warning if not more.
>
> I am actually very disappointed right now, I had expected a more fair and
> honest response to the situation from you.  After all if my hot temper that
> has been on the other end of these disagreements can step back and give a
> fair appraisal of the situation, I expected your response to be even more
> so given your usual approach.
>
> Do not mistake this.  There are times she has crossed a line in the heat
> of the moment.  I have myself pointed that out to her directly, just the
> other day.  However to neglect the many times others have done the same
> saddens me.
>
>  Particularly when, in my personal opinion, her faux pas come DO mostly
> come in the heat of the moment, while some responses seem to be calculated
> and even just mean spirited attempts to attack.
>
> It has gotten to the point that myself, and I believe my alternate, have
> been left considering whether we even desire to continue serving on this
> body.
>
> I had planned to address this in Miami, rather than more. Garbage on this
> list, but your not fully accurate response forced my hand.
>
> Given the very high regard I hold you in I truly believe that it was an
> honest mistake or misunderstanding rather than a sly attempt to derail some
> legitimate concerns by members of this body, and members of the party we
> were elected to represent.  Members who have reached out to me already are
> less convinced.
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *