[Lnc-business] Fwd: Re: Motion to return membership fees.

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

Forwarded for transparency

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 		SUBJECT:
 		Re: Motion to return membership fees.

 		DATE:
 		2019-12-21 04:42

 		FROM:
 		joshua.smith at lp.org

 		TO:
 		Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>

 		CC:
 		Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>, LNC Gsuite Migration
<lnctest at lphq.org>, Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman at lphq.org>, Libertarian
National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>

You're absolutely wrong Caryn Ann. Most of what we do is governed by the
bylaws and policy manual. That which is not is reffered to RONR (I've
spoken to Mr. Brown about almost this exact issue, and we are well
within our bounds to protect the organization). The Chair has not said
anything other than "I think this is not suitable, and don't WANT to
return it" which, to be honest, doesn't sit well with me and other
members of this board (and I'm sure a large portion of our membership if
that's where it needs to go). No one on this board is going to forcibly
make me or anyone else associate with child predators. I promise you
that. I WILL make this motion, and I guarantee that the chair will not
call it out of order. None of us should be pussyfooting around child
predators, and I truly hope that you will not either.  

In liberty, 
Joshua  

On Dec 21, 2019 1:12 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> the bylaws give requirements for sustaining membership - this has met the requirements.  There is no provision for rejecting.  I do not think it is sound in any governing body to say silence implies we can.  I hold to a philosophy of specified powers.
> 
> IN LIBERTY, 
> 
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> _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _ 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 1:30 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote: 
> 
> There's nothing in the bylaws that says the LP _must_ accept donations.  Nor, anything that says the LP must accept a $25 sustaining donation. 
> 
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> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> 
> On 2019-12-21 02:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: 
> I encourage this current Bylaws committee to take a look at this situation and the one with the person from VA to see if the delegates wish to grant the LNC this kind of power.  Until then we do not have it, and if this motion does get enough co-sponsors I will object as being contrary to our bylaws. 
> 
> I am no fan of those who would dare to exploit children.   But "do it for the children" has been the paving stones to hell for a long long time as an excuse to expand power.  We do not have this power.
> 
> IN LIBERTY, 
> 
> __ 
> _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _ 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:55 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote: 
> The Party chair has already indicated that returning is improper, so yes a Motion is needed.  I would expect that the Chair will rule such a motion out of order if it does get enough co-sponsors.  It is certainly a motion that could easily draw a judicial committee review if some member was motivated enough to check the power of the LNC.
> 
> IN LIBERTY, 
> 
> __ 
> _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _ 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:48 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote: 
> 
> I don't think a motion is needed.  
> 
> Daniel, when you brought this situation to the attention of the LNC, you wrote:  "I am inclined to return the check, but I gratefully defer to the LNC."   
> 
> Your inclination was spot-on.  Please write, VOID across the check, and return to sender, with a polite note.  
> 
> Also, if you've already done something similar regarding the check, let us know.  
> 
> I appreciate your attention to this sensitive matter. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Elizabeth
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) 
> 
> On 2019-12-20 13:25, joshua.smith at lp.org wrote: 
> 
> I'd like to make a motion to direct Daniel Fishman to send the 25 dollar contribution back to Royce Corley, who is currently incarcerated for trafficking minors and child pornography, and also immediately deny his membership request. Would anyone be willing to co-sponsor or work on the wording with me? 
> 
> Details here:
> 
> https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-man-found-guilty-federal-court-sex-trafficking-three-minors-and-possessing   
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