[Lnc-business] Motion to return membership fees.

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I respectfully disagree Mr Smith and I ask that you not uncharitably take
my position on limitation of power as pussyfooting around child predators.
That is highly inappropriate.

I will never vote for LNC overreach.  The delegates can give us this power
should they choose to.  They have not.  Oregon was the reason I ran for the
LNC in the first place - a burning opposition to LNC overreach, no matter
how well-intentioned.

Be careful what you wish for.  The blood mob never stops at just one issue.

-Caryn Ann



On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 5:57 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:

> Joshua, your emails to this list are getting garbled:
> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2019/055793.html
>
>
> (I <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2019/055793.html>'m going to
> forward any email that looks like it's not making it onto the public list,
> as this conversation needs to be seen.  So, try to do a direct reply or
> something that doesn't obscure your communications.  This whole thread, and
> many started by our ED, end up not seen on the pubic list.  An issue we'll
> need to deal with later.)
> ---
>
>
> On 2019-12-21 04:42, joshua.smith at lp.org wrote:
>
> You're absolutely wrong Caryn Ann. Most of what we do is governed by the
> bylaws and policy manual. That which is not is reffered to RONR (I've
> spoken to Mr. Brown about almost this exact issue, and we are well within
> our bounds to protect the organization). The Chair has not said anything
> other than "I think this is not suitable, and don't WANT to return it"
> which, to be honest, doesn't sit well with me and other members of this
> board (and I'm sure a large portion of our membership if that's where it
> needs to go). No one on this board is going to forcibly make me or anyone
> else associate with child predators. I promise you that. I WILL make this
> motion, and I guarantee that the chair will not call it out of order. None
> of us should be pussyfooting around child predators, and I truly hope that
> you will not either.
>
>
> In liberty,
> Joshua
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2019 1:12 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> the bylaws give requirements for sustaining membership - this has met the
> requirements.  There is no provision for rejecting.  I do not think it is
> sound in any governing body to say silence implies we can.  I hold to a
> philosophy of specified powers.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 1:30 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> There's nothing in the bylaws that says the LP *must* accept donations.
> Nor, anything that says the LP must accept a $25 sustaining donation.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
>
> On 2019-12-21 02:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I encourage this current Bylaws committee to take a look at this situation
> and the one with the person from VA to see if the delegates wish to grant
> the LNC this kind of power.  Until then we do not have it, and if this
> motion does get enough co-sponsors I will object as being contrary to our
> bylaws.
>
> I am no fan of those who would dare to exploit children.   But "do it for
> the children" has been the paving stones to hell for a long long time as an
> excuse to expand power.  We do not have this power.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:55 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> The Party chair has already indicated that returning is improper, so yes a
> Motion is needed.  I would expect that the Chair will rule such a motion
> out of order if it does get enough co-sponsors.  It is certainly a motion
> that could easily draw a judicial committee review if some member was
> motivated enough to check the power of the LNC.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:48 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I don't think a motion is needed.
>
> Daniel, when you brought this situation to the attention of the LNC, you
> wrote:  "I am inclined to return the check, but I gratefully defer to the
> LNC."
>
> Your inclination was spot-on.  Please write, VOID across the check, and
> return to sender, with a polite note.
>
> Also, if you've already done something similar regarding the check, let us
> know.
>
> I appreciate your attention to this sensitive matter.
>
> Regards,
> Elizabeth
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
>
> On 2019-12-20 13:25, joshua.smith at lp.org wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to make a motion to direct Daniel Fishman to send the 25 dollar
> contribution back to Royce Corley, who is currently incarcerated for
> trafficking minors and child pornography, and also immediately deny his
> membership request. Would anyone be willing to co-sponsor or work on the
> wording with me?
>
> Details here:
>
>
> https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-man-found-guilty-federal-court-sex-trafficking-three-minors-and-possessing
>
>
>
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*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *