[Lnc-business] Motion to return membership fees.

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

What’s next?  Drunk drivers? Domestic violence?  And so on.

And trusting the state is dangerous.

Mr. Smith this appears to be posturing for effect.

I’ll wait to see if you get the co-sponsors and will then raise the point
of order that we do not have this authority.

You have your good faith position.  I have mine.  Emphasis on good faith.

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 3:32 PM <joshua.smith at lp.org> wrote:

> If the "blood mob" never stopped denying membership to child predators,
> I'm perfectly fine with that. That's a good thing, and something this board
> should be proud to do for the good of our organization.
>
>
>
> -Joshua
>
> On Dec 21, 2019 12:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I respectfully disagree Mr Smith and I ask that you not uncharitably take
> my position on limitation of power as pussyfooting around child predators.
> That is highly inappropriate.
>
> I will never vote for LNC overreach.  The delegates can give us this power
> should they choose to.  They have not.  Oregon was the reason I ran for the
> LNC in the first place - a burning opposition to LNC overreach, no matter
> how well-intentioned.
>
> Be careful what you wish for.  The blood mob never stops at just one issue.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 5:57 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Joshua, your emails to this list are getting garbled:
> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2019/055793.html
>
>
> (I <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2019/055793.html>'m going to
> forward any email that looks like it's not making it onto the public list,
> as this conversation needs to be seen.  So, try to do a direct reply or
> something that doesn't obscure your communications.  This whole thread, and
> many started by our ED, end up not seen on the pubic list.  An issue we'll
> need to deal with later.)
> ---
>
>
> On 2019-12-21 04:42, joshua.smith at lp.org wrote:
>
> You're absolutely wrong Caryn Ann. Most of what we do is governed by the
> bylaws and policy manual. That which is not is reffered to RONR (I've
> spoken to Mr. Brown about almost this exact issue, and we are well within
> our bounds to protect the organization). The Chair has not said anything
> other than "I think this is not suitable, and don't WANT to return it"
> which, to be honest, doesn't sit well with me and other members of this
> board (and I'm sure a large portion of our membership if that's where it
> needs to go). No one on this board is going to forcibly make me or anyone
> else associate with child predators. I promise you that. I WILL make this
> motion, and I guarantee that the chair will not call it out of order. None
> of us should be pussyfooting around child predators, and I truly hope that
> you will not either.
>
>
> In liberty,
> Joshua
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2019 1:12 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> the bylaws give requirements for sustaining membership - this has met the
> requirements.  There is no provision for rejecting.  I do not think it is
> sound in any governing body to say silence implies we can.  I hold to a
> philosophy of specified powers.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 1:30 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> There's nothing in the bylaws that says the LP *must* accept donations.
> Nor, anything that says the LP must accept a $25 sustaining donation.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
>
> On 2019-12-21 02:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I encourage this current Bylaws committee to take a look at this situation
> and the one with the person from VA to see if the delegates wish to grant
> the LNC this kind of power.  Until then we do not have it, and if this
> motion does get enough co-sponsors I will object as being contrary to our
> bylaws.
>
> I am no fan of those who would dare to exploit children.   But "do it for
> the children" has been the paving stones to hell for a long long time as an
> excuse to expand power.  We do not have this power.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:55 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> The Party chair has already indicated that returning is improper, so yes a
> Motion is needed.  I would expect that the Chair will rule such a motion
> out of order if it does get enough co-sponsors.  It is certainly a motion
> that could easily draw a judicial committee review if some member was
> motivated enough to check the power of the LNC.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:48 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I don't think a motion is needed.
>
> Daniel, when you brought this situation to the attention of the LNC, you
> wrote:  "I am inclined to return the check, but I gratefully defer to the
> LNC."
>
> Your inclination was spot-on.  Please write, VOID across the check, and
> return to sender, with a polite note.
>
> Also, if you've already done something similar regarding the check, let us
> know.
>
> I appreciate your attention to this sensitive matter.
>
> Regards,
> Elizabeth
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
>
> On 2019-12-20 13:25, joshua.smith at lp.org wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to make a motion to direct Daniel Fishman to send the 25 dollar
> contribution back to Royce Corley, who is currently incarcerated for
> trafficking minors and child pornography, and also immediately deny his
> membership request. Would anyone be willing to co-sponsor or work on the
> wording with me?
>
> Details here:
>
>
> https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-man-found-guilty-federal-court-sex-trafficking-three-minors-and-possessing
>
>
>
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> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *