[Lnc-business] Request for Co-Sponsors

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Mr. Phillips please allow me to give some history here.  The pledge WAS
never intended to be a gatekeeper to exclude people from the Party because
as David Nolan said, bad people will lie.  While it legitimately reflects
our beliefs and it is hoped it is signed in sincerity of internal beliefs,
its purpose was to protect the Party from the government and to educate
members.  Further, if any evil person reformed themselves, they could
legitimately sign the pledge.  I doubt any of us are free from past
aggression.  I have no idea of this individual's current state of
repentance, but such difficulties are exactly why that was never the
purpose of the pledge as originally intended.

http://lpedia.org/Libertarian_Membership_Pledge

Just recently we had a few members calling for the expulsion of any parent
that spanks their children - that is not a fallacious slippery slope, it is
one supported with evidence.  I am NAPster purist as they come, but we are
not the judgment throne of God.

-Caryn Ann

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:21 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> I question whether someone who has engaged in child prostitution can
> legitimately sign the NAP.  Would we have to accept Jeffrey Dahmer or
> Timothy Mcveigh's applications?
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Dec 23, 2019 2:35 PM, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I'm going to start with the relevant section of the Bylaws, since it makes
> it easier to reference for those reading:
> "ARTICLE 4: MEMBERSHIP
> 1. Members of the Party shall be those persons who have certified in
> writing
> that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political or social
> goals.
> 2. The National Committee may offer life memberships, and must honor all
> prior and future life memberships.
> 3. The National Committee may create other levels of membership and shall
> determine the contribution or dues levels for such memberships.
> 4. “Sustaining members” are members of the Party who: a. During the prior
> twelve months have donated, or have had donated on their behalf, an amount
> of at least $25; or b. Are Life members."
>
> The person mentioned in the motion has met the conditions set forth in the
> bylaws (Art. 4, Sec. 1 and 4) to be a sustaining member of the Libertarian
> Party as of the date that the contribution and attached signed
> certification were processed.
>
> It may be in order to refund the person's contribution as part of the
> LNC's
> prerogative to issue directives overriding those of the Chair, though it
> would not be in order if it had the effect of denying that person a
> sustaining membership. Art. 4, Sec. 4 can be read as applying by the fact
> of the person making the donation, even if the donation was subsequently
> refunded.  That's a somewhat strained reading of it, so it would be better
> if the motion made it clear that it was a refund without a change in
> sustaining
> membership status.
>
> The latter half of the motion is out of order as the membership
> application
> has been processed.
>
> The mover has the option to rewrite the motion to fit within my
> interpretation of the bylaws outlined above, appeal from the ruling of the
> Chair, or ask for time on the agenda in February.
>
> Yours truly,
> Nick
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:47 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > A point I considered Caryn Ann and Alex, and appreciate.  I considered
> it
> > moot as someone else had already made the name public, but still had
> qualms
> >
> > I agree on not using it going forward.
> >
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >
> > On Dec 23, 2019 7:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I would encourage you to add this to February agenda.  The chair has
> > indicated that discussion of non-public figures is not appropriate for a
> > public list.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 5:58 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Given that the nature of this is no longer as time sensitive, I disagree
> > with the interpretation that it is not a matter we can address, as was
> > pointed out no ruling of the chair was officially given, and I find the
> > situation in general disturbing, I will ask for co-sponsors for the
> > following motion.
> >
> > "The L.N.C. directs the Executive Director to refund the donation of
> Royce
> > Corley, and further not accept his membership application until after
> the
> > National Convention in May of 2020."
> >
> > This will allow the delegates, if they choose to address it, to make a
> > decision either in specific or in general about such situations, while
> > addressing the current objections of several members of this board and
> many
> > of the party members currently.
> >
> > As always I am open to suggestions and motions regarding alternative
> > wording.
> >
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >
> > --
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>