[Lnc-business] Other memberships

[francis.wendt at lp.org]

Fellow members of the LNC,

 

I have sent this proposed amendment to Richard regarding the recent membership questions that have arisen. These are my humble thoughts on how we can solve these issues, and unburden the LNC from questions like we were presented with recently.

 

I do want to clarify that this is merely a draft and that I am not introducing it for debate here, as I’m sure it will not maintain its present form should the Bylaws Committee chose to review it.

 

I just wanted to say I have introduced a possible solution, and I would encourage others to submit solutions to the Bylaws Committee, as they are the body which has authority in this matter.

 

Best Regards,

 

 

Francis Wendt

LNC Region 1 Alternate

406.595.5111

 

 

 

From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 1:34 PM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Cc: john.phillips at lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Other memberships

 

Sorry, should have been more clear - my suggestion was meant to be a suggestion to possibly pass to bylaws.

 

As for your question, i believe yes they signed for their dependents. At least One of which is a pet.

 

Ms Mattson was the one who suggested that might not be ok.  Mr Fishman confirmed the pets were not listed as members.

 

The concern is if they are not to be considered members, do we then refund the money for their memberships? Or Do we allow the memberships?

 

I really am not trying to create an issue here, just address one that arose from debate on the other.

John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973

 

On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> > wrote:

They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly 
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that 
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where 
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of 
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political 
or social goals. 

When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift <http://www.lp.org/gift>  [1], 
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a 
member with a link to sign the certification. 

How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge 
for their dependents? 

--- 
Tim Hagan 
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 

On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote: 

> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.   
> 
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member. 
> 
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership.  Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents. 
> 
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made. 
> 
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed. 
> 
> Do we have a direction on this?  I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios. 
> 
> John Phillips 
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative 
> Cell 217-412-5973 


Links: 
------ 
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift, 

 

 

On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> > wrote:

They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly 
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that 
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where 
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of 
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political 
or social goals. 

When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift <http://www.lp.org/gift>  [1], 
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a 
member with a link to sign the certification. 

How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge 
for their dependents? 

--- 
Tim Hagan 
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 

On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote: 

> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.   
> 
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member. 
> 
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership.  Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents. 
> 
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made. 
> 
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed. 
> 
> Do we have a direction on this?  I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios. 
> 
> John Phillips 
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative 
> Cell 217-412-5973 


Links: 
------ 
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift, 

 

 

On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> > wrote:

They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly 
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that 
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where 
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of 
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political 
or social goals. 

When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift <http://www.lp.org/gift>  [1], 
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a 
member with a link to sign the certification. 

How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge 
for their dependents? 

--- 
Tim Hagan 
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 

On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote: 

> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.   
> 
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member. 
> 
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership.  Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents. 
> 
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made. 
> 
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed. 
> 
> Do we have a direction on this?  I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios. 
> 
> John Phillips 
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative 
> Cell 217-412-5973 


Links: 
------ 
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift, 

 

 

On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> > wrote:

They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly 
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that 
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where 
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of 
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political 
or social goals. 

When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift <http://www.lp.org/gift>  [1], 
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a 
member with a link to sign the certification. 

How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge 
for their dependents? 

--- 
Tim Hagan 
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 

On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote: 

> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.   
> 
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member. 
> 
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership.  Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents. 
> 
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made. 
> 
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed. 
> 
> Do we have a direction on this?  I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios. 
> 
> John Phillips 
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative 
> Cell 217-412-5973 


Links: 
------ 
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift, 

 

 

On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> > wrote:

They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly 
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that 
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where 
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of 
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political 
or social goals. 

When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift <http://www.lp.org/gift>  [1], 
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a 
member with a link to sign the certification. 

How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge 
for their dependents? 

--- 
Tim Hagan 
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee 

On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote: 

> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.   
> 
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member. 
> 
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership.  Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents. 
> 
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made. 
> 
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed. 
> 
> Do we have a direction on this?  I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios. 
> 
> John Phillips 
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative 
> Cell 217-412-5973 


Links: 
------ 
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift, 

 

-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: A4. Membership Amendment.pdf
Type: application/pdf
Size: 72260 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/attachments/20200112/97864d42/attachment-0001.pdf>