[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200124-1 Approve November 2019 LNC Minutes

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I had not heard from Ms. Mattson as she is busy with both the state and
assisting the bylaws committee, but attached is the screenshot of the
language that was approved to be included at our last meeting.  I
previously explained that Nuance had scrambled several versions of my
report - in the version that gets posted, the screenshotted paragraph is
what will be in the Secretary's report.

I would never disrespect Ms. Mattson so as to change the language approved
upon.  Further, that would be HIGHLY unethical.  I know that Ms. Mattson
voted no even on the revised language, so I fully expected a no vote on the
minutes, but she can be assured, the language the LNC approved will be the
published language.

I would ask Ms. Mattson to be a bit more charitable rather than thinking
anyone is sneaky, but I understand that having to deal with the state
causes frayed nerves, so I am sure that is what caused that bit of
unkindness.

If there is a scrivener's issue with a timestamp, I am sure the committee
has no issue with that technical correction.  Ms. Mattson, I have found
errors in your corrections - specifically in your last list of corrections
in which you misspelled Cara's last name.  I did not say to you at the
time, "I have incorporated your changes except your name misspelling."
Why? That would be hurtful nitpicking.  You are not a robot, and I
understood fully what you meant.  I do feel however, you do not show me the
same courtesy at times.  You do not have to.  But I would appreciate it if
you would.

I would like to address your comment about multiple versions because
although I am sure you did not mean it as a denigration of my abilities,
outsiders met get the wrong impression.  When I receive lists of changes I
have two choices.  I can wait until they all come in, which can span
several weeks or I can make them immediately so that people who have yet to
review don't have to include them if they see them.  Dr. Lark always sends
me corrections first, and he always sends them off-list out of respect to
me (which I personally believe is the professional way to handle, but
others may disagree).  I make them immediately.  Thus V2.  Mr. Hagan is
usually next because he is very eager to win one of the prizes, and
oftentimes he approaches me off-list.  I then make V3.  About this time a
week has passed and one person or another may have a minor change they post
on the list having not to deal with any of the issues Dr. Lark or Mr. Hagan
mentioned because I took care of them out of courtesy for future readers.
That is then usually V4.  Ms. Mattson, you are usually last in your
comments, and I have no problem with that, but because of that, I have
already accommodated many other comments.  If it is the LNC's pleasure, I
will make all of the changes at once causing everyone to have to reinvent
the wheel that Dr. Lark already invented so that I can have V2 only for
appearance's sake.  I hope that is not the LNC's pleasure.  And I hope in
the future, my desire to make less work for everyone is not inadvertently
characterized (because I know that was not Ms. Mattson's intent) to make it
seem like there are multiple versions because I walk into walls face
first.  I know no one of us ever means to denigrate each other, but some
public readers might not be so charitable.

Lastly, I went back through your changes and cannot find the amendment you
refer to above.  Although I strongly disagree with you on the issue of
whether or not I have the freedom to format numbers as number (number), I
honoured your request out of courtesy.  I cannot change the meaning of text
submitted, but I certainly may standardize the format.  For instance, no
one submits it in green text either.  Or, as another example, I am not
obligated to honour a misspelling.  I honoured your request out of courtesy
and respect only.  I am waiting to see what happens with the Policy Manual
vote to decide if I will take a stand on this issue or not.

I thank Ms. Mattson once again for her continued tutelage.  I profit
immensely from her experience as do we all.

-Caryn Ann

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 3:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Ms Mattson I believe I included the amended language - can you please
> write me off list and let me know?  I will certainly put in the language
> that was voted upon.
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 2:11 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I must vote no on approving these minutes, due to the personal criticisms
>> and false implications about me in the Secretary's report.  The language
>> has even been changed back to a prior version to include commentary which
>> Ms. Harlos previously acknowledged wasn't true.
>>
>> We get a lot of versions of these minutes, and it's kinda sneaky to change
>> some language and then in a later version change it back, knowing that
>> often to save time on reviews of later versions people will not again
>> review every word but will just review to see whether the list of
>> requested
>> changes has been implemented.
>>
>> On a public list I'll not to get into the naughty government actions which
>> have recently eaten away at the time I have available to repeatedly review
>> updated versions of the minutes.
>>
>> In skimming my most recent list of feedback on v3, I see that the time
>> stamp inserted on p. 21, just prior to the Hewitt multi-part motion, was
>> mistakenly identified as 8:45 rather than 9:45.  That would have been
>> prior
>> to the start of the meeting at 9:02.
>>
>> I noticed some other wording issues, like one in which the language of a
>> motion in an amendment didn't match the original motion language, but at
>> least it was in wording being struck from the main motion.  Too busy today
>> to track that down again now.  Regardless, the first item I mentioned
>> above
>> is enough for me to vote no.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 8:35 AM William Redpath via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Yes.  Bill Redpath
>> >
>> > On 2020-01-25 09:12, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > I vote yes.
>> > >
>> > > JBH
>> > >
>> > > ------------
>> > > Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> > > LNC Member (At-Large)
>> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> > > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> > >
>> > > On 2020-01-24 23:40, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> > >>
>> > >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 1, 2020 at
>> 11:59:59
>> > >> pm
>> > >> Pacific time.
>> > >>
>> > >> Co-Sponsors:  Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos, Longstreth,
>> > >> Phillips
>> > >>
>> > >> =============================================
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Motion: Approve minutes from November 16-17, 2019 LNC meeting V4.
>> > >>
>> > >> =============================================
>> > >>
>> > >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED:  Simple majority.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> > >> https://tinyurl.com/ballot200124-1.  Votes are noted with a link to
>> > >> the
>> > >> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>> > >> manual
>> > >> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>> > >>
>> > >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> > >>
>> > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > >> anyone
>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> > >> faux
>> > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
>> > >> *
>> >
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>