[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200124-1 Approve November 2019 LNC Minutes

Tue Jan 28 01:10:09 EST 2020

<CAH> I would ask Ms. Mattson to be a bit more charitable rather than
thinking anyone is sneaky, but I understand that having to deal with the
state causes frayed nerves, so I am sure that is what caused that bit of
unkindness.</CAH>

Did you consider that taking pot shots at me in the minutes might not make
me very warm and fuzzy?  I have good reason to be upset about it.

-Alicia

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 7:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I had not heard from Ms. Mattson as she is busy with both the state and
> assisting the bylaws committee, but attached is the screenshot of the
> language that was approved to be included at our last meeting.  I
> previously explained that Nuance had scrambled several versions of my
> report - in the version that gets posted, the screenshotted paragraph is
> what will be in the Secretary's report.
>
> I would never disrespect Ms. Mattson so as to change the language approved
> upon.  Further, that would be HIGHLY unethical.  I know that Ms. Mattson
> voted no even on the revised language, so I fully expected a no vote on the
> minutes, but she can be assured, the language the LNC approved will be the
> published language.
>
> I would ask Ms. Mattson to be a bit more charitable rather than thinking
> anyone is sneaky, but I understand that having to deal with the state
> causes frayed nerves, so I am sure that is what caused that bit of
> unkindness.
>
> If there is a scrivener's issue with a timestamp, I am sure the committee
> has no issue with that technical correction.  Ms. Mattson, I have found
> errors in your corrections - specifically in your last list of corrections
> in which you misspelled Cara's last name.  I did not say to you at the
> time, "I have incorporated your changes except your name misspelling."
> Why? That would be hurtful nitpicking.  You are not a robot, and I
> understood fully what you meant.  I do feel however, you do not show me the
> same courtesy at times.  You do not have to.  But I would appreciate it if
> you would.
>
> I would like to address your comment about multiple versions because
> although I am sure you did not mean it as a denigration of my abilities,
> outsiders met get the wrong impression.  When I receive lists of changes I
> have two choices.  I can wait until they all come in, which can span
> several weeks or I can make them immediately so that people who have yet to
> review don't have to include them if they see them.  Dr. Lark always sends
> me corrections first, and he always sends them off-list out of respect to
> me (which I personally believe is the professional way to handle, but
> others may disagree).  I make them immediately.  Thus V2.  Mr. Hagan is
> usually next because he is very eager to win one of the prizes, and
> oftentimes he approaches me off-list.  I then make V3.  About this time a
> week has passed and one person or another may have a minor change they post
> on the list having not to deal with any of the issues Dr. Lark or Mr. Hagan
> mentioned because I took care of them out of courtesy for future readers.
> That is then usually V4.  Ms. Mattson, you are usually last in your
> comments, and I have no problem with that, but because of that, I have
> already accommodated many other comments.  If it is the LNC's pleasure, I
> will make all of the changes at once causing everyone to have to reinvent
> the wheel that Dr. Lark already invented so that I can have V2 only for
> appearance's sake.  I hope that is not the LNC's pleasure.  And I hope in
> the future, my desire to make less work for everyone is not inadvertently
> characterized (because I know that was not Ms. Mattson's intent) to make it
> seem like there are multiple versions because I walk into walls face
> first.  I know no one of us ever means to denigrate each other, but some
> public readers might not be so charitable.
>
> Lastly, I went back through your changes and cannot find the amendment you
> refer to above.  Although I strongly disagree with you on the issue of
> whether or not I have the freedom to format numbers as number (number), I
> honoured your request out of courtesy.  I cannot change the meaning of text
> submitted, but I certainly may standardize the format.  For instance, no
> one submits it in green text either.  Or, as another example, I am not
> obligated to honour a misspelling.  I honoured your request out of courtesy
> and respect only.  I am waiting to see what happens with the Policy Manual
> vote to decide if I will take a stand on this issue or not.
>
> I thank Ms. Mattson once again for her continued tutelage.  I profit
> immensely from her experience as do we all.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 3:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Ms Mattson I believe I included the amended language - can you please
>> write me off list and let me know?  I will certainly put in the language
>> that was voted upon.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 2:11 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I must vote no on approving these minutes, due to the personal criticisms
>>> and false implications about me in the Secretary's report.  The language
>>> has even been changed back to a prior version to include commentary which
>>> Ms. Harlos previously acknowledged wasn't true.
>>>
>>> We get a lot of versions of these minutes, and it's kinda sneaky to
>>> change
>>> some language and then in a later version change it back, knowing that
>>> often to save time on reviews of later versions people will not again
>>> review every word but will just review to see whether the list of
>>> requested
>>> changes has been implemented.
>>>
>>> On a public list I'll not to get into the naughty government actions
>>> which
>>> have recently eaten away at the time I have available to repeatedly
>>> review
>>> updated versions of the minutes.
>>>
>>> In skimming my most recent list of feedback on v3, I see that the time
>>> stamp inserted on p. 21, just prior to the Hewitt multi-part motion, was
>>> mistakenly identified as 8:45 rather than 9:45.  That would have been
>>> prior
>>> to the start of the meeting at 9:02.
>>>
>>> I noticed some other wording issues, like one in which the language of a
>>> motion in an amendment didn't match the original motion language, but at
>>> least it was in wording being struck from the main motion.  Too busy
>>> today
>>> to track that down again now.  Regardless, the first item I mentioned
>>> above
>>> is enough for me to vote no.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 8:35 AM William Redpath via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yes.  Bill Redpath
>>> >
>>> > On 2020-01-25 09:12, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > > I vote yes.
>>> > >
>>> > > JBH
>>> > >
>>> > > ------------
>>> > > Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>> > > LNC Member (At-Large)
>>> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>> > > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>> > >
>>> > > On 2020-01-24 23:40, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 1, 2020 at
>>> 11:59:59
>>> > >> pm
>>> > >> Pacific time.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Co-Sponsors:  Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos, Longstreth,
>>> > >> Phillips
>>> > >>
>>> > >> =============================================
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Motion: Approve minutes from November 16-17, 2019 LNC meeting V4.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> =============================================
>>> > >>
>>> > >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED:  Simple majority.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>> > >> https://tinyurl.com/ballot200124-1.  Votes are noted with a link to
>>> > >> the
>>> > >> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>>> > >> manual
>>> > >> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> *  In Liberty,*
>>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> > >> anyone
>>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> > >> faux
>>> > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>> know.
>>> > >> *
>>> >
>>>
>> --
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>