[Lnc-business] I am confused

[john.phillips at lp.org]

Umm Sam? Perhaps you want to read that list again and see how many of those things will be actions taken at convention that could result in a JC jurisdiction issue? Looks like most of it to me.John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973------ Original message------From: Sam GoldsteinDate: Sat, Mar 14, 2020 8:08 PMTo: john.phillips at lp.org;Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] I am confused
Sorry, but I can't quite figure out where the lack of a JC is going to affect any resolution to this situation.  Where would the JC have any jurisdiction per their Bylaws set possible courses of action:

2. The subject matter jurisdiction of the Judicial Committee is limited to consideration of only thosematters expressly identified as follows:a. suspension of affiliate parties (Article 5, Section 6),b. suspension of officers (Article 6, Section 7),c. suspension of National Committee members-at-large (Article 7,
 Section 5),d. voiding of National Committee decisions (Article 7, Section 12),e. challenges to platform planks (Rule 5, Section 7),f. challenges to Resolutions (Rule 6, Section 2), andg. suspension of Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates (Article 14, Section 5).

The only possible scenario I can envision is if the LNC decides to reappoint itself in the event we can't have a convention due to government mandate and Section 2d might pertain.
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Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell


On 2020-03-14 20:53, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:

Yes it may.  I have made that point before.
John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973


On Mar 14, 2020 7:47 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos > wrote:

I don't like to say I told you so, but the whole "no big deal we don't have a JC" may come to bite us in the ass over this convention.  I don't want to be right.

















































 
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 8:32 PM <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:

So that answers the question.  So it can be done if the steps are followed.
 
Whether it should I will leave to others.
John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973



On Mar 14, 2020 6:20 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:


John,
The delegates in convention can do pretty much whatever they want within the bound of the Bylaws and Roberts.  We have had Bylaws and/or Convention Rules that take effect immediately, the change to Approval Voting for At Large and JC at
 Columbus that turned into a major fiasco, for instance.

ARTICLE 17: AMENDMENT1. These Bylaws may be amended by a 2/3 vote of the delegates at any Regular Convention.2. Article 3, Section 1, or this Section, shall not be amended by a vote of less than 7/8 of allregistered delegates at a Regular Convention.

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Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell


On 2020-03-14 17:07, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:

Thank you for the clarification.
 
However, they could consider a bylaws change at convention to allow it? 
 
At this point this is low on my things of concern, just engaging in a conversation brought up.
John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973



On Mar 14, 2020 2:57 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:


The solution would be a Bylaws change allowing an immediate election of a JC that will hold office until 2022 when the regular cycle would resume.  Caryn Ann is correct in that the Bylaws
 cannot be suspended.  We cannot resume the election as unfinished business because all business terminated at the end of the convention, we didn't table it until the next meeting.
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On 2020-03-14 15:46, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:

I am unsure why it would take a bylaws change?
 
Could we not just continue the election as unfinished/old business from the last convention?
 
Not an expert on this as we know, but would seem to be the simplest solution.
John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973



On Mar 14, 2020 2:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

I keep hearing discussions about how we can fix the JC issue this  convention through a suspension of the Rules but the JC is under the Bylaws  not the Rules and Bylaws cannot be suspended.  Am I missing something here?   *  In Liberty,*  * Personal Note:  I have
 what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome  (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal  communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone  found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux  pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.  *